£15bn on hotels?

Of course it is. It’s like watching Bambi trying to learn to ice skate watching all this.

It’s entirely doable.

I love you!

Your post is representative of the majority. Thank you for posting and airing the views of so many people. You are absolutely spot on

@WilfredsPiesthanks for explaining, the same thing crops up repeatedly. Amazingly even a BBC journalist said the same thing at a talk. No wonder misinformation is rife.

I understand the system very well thanks. What I’m struggling with is your logic. I’m not asking you to educate me. I’m asking you to make a coherent argument, because I’ll willingly admit that I could be being dense, but your statement makes no sense.

You said The backlog of asylum decisions has conveniently been reduced because it moves the responsibility from the Home Office to local councils My question to you is how are the two things related? How does the responsibility for dispersal moving to the council have any impact on a Home Office backlog?

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So can the other EU countries still send everyone back?

Notice the boiled frog syndrome on this thread?

Labour and Tories, since 1997 have systematically been operating open borders, getting gradually worse as time has gone on, in order to make people believe that uncontrolled immigration is an unsolvable problem. The public is now so exhausted that so many people just shrug their shoulders and say ‘we’ll, it’s just too hard to solve’.

We are literally an island nation. This madness and how the public has been manipulated into thinking this is unsolvable is frankly scandalous.

Of course it’s solvable, they just don’t want to solve it. This is the imposition of open borders by stealth.

That is what we need to achieve. A massive reduction in the benefits bill. The only way to stop the country going bust.

Before Brexit they came on the lorries.

What on earth are you talking about when you state 'the council dispering people'? It seems as if you either don't understand the system or you're playing dumb in the hope of trying to make me look stupid? I'm not here to waste my time educating you. The information is in the public domain.

It will certainly sort out the cost of benefits. Assuming Reform aren't basing their policy on cliché.

We used to be able to do this before Brexit. You've got self-serving Farage to thank for the small boat problem.

Well that certainly makes a little bit more sense than what I thought, but not much more.

How do you think the backlog of asylum decisions is impacted by dispersal? Specifically, how has the council dispersing people reduced the backlog?

if they’re not an illegal immigrant and can’t speak English and can’t support themselves, then it’s even worse that such people are allowed in legally.

You may want to consider some logic before making your arguments.

To be fair the main issue the UK isn't the illegal immigrants - its the work shy Brits who prefer the Xbox to work. But Reform's two turned down job offers and then no access to benefits will sort that out.

Once a claim has been approved then local authorities, I assume, are only involved if the ex-asylum seeker is homeless (because they are not allowed to stay in the hotels or wherever).

I dont know if there are any stats on this but many/most of those granted asylum find work and start paying their way?

I certainly know that people I worked with (a good few years ago now) had been granted asylum.

my council is bankrupt and the arrivals from the Chagos islands haven’t helped.

I really don’t want to fund these people tbh when people here need accommodation and should be prioritised

I keep hearing that even if Reform somehow miraculously got rid of the illegal immigrants it would barely make any difference, but we’ve just spent £15 billion pounds on housing them in hotels so clearly there are some significant savings to be made.

Surely no-one has forgotten this. It's a feature of every discussion on asylum seekers I've seen.

We can only send French people to France without an agreement. Nothing to do woth ECHR or treatues, just French sovereignty.

As far as I am aware there are not any particular perks that asylum seekers get that are much better than they get in France. (France has more asylum seekers that apply there than we do).
The stories of luxuries and pampering given to asylum seekers here are really not realistic.

I don't disagree at all that the status quo is not an option
Just that any policy changes have to be based on a clear understanding of the problems and impacts of amy proposed solutions

I'm talking about the burden of dispersal.

What? Are you saying that you think local councils are processing and making decisions on asylum claims? I’m sure you can’t be saying that, because surely nobody would think that, but I can’t be quite certain what you mean.

This is a comment I'm genuinely confused by and hear often. I'm not having a go or deliberately being difficult but please can you (or anyone) answer this.

• This backlog that is often mentioned being the cause of the crossings. Are you trying to tell me the people arriving in the boats would have been accepted if they would have queued?

The city the size of Leeds is made up of 90%+ legal migrants.

That's an important but different issue.

🙄 No, not those stats. We were talking about the Dublin Convention. I was talking about the stats showing that we received more people than we removed under the Dublin Convention.

What you’ve produced is stats referring to the increase in arrivals via small boat, which is a completely different thing, not what we were talking about at all, and not massively different from the numbers coming in via lorry or freight train from 2000 onwards. But I’m happy to address that too. The UK have spent a fortune on search technology and security, resulting in it getting harder and harder to smuggle a lorry full of people through, as was done from the late 90s onwards. So the smugglers looked for different business models because, for them, it is a lucrative business. And surprise, surprise, they found a better model and numbers of arrivals via that method have been increasing ever since. And during that time, Brexit happened. But if you seriously think that any of these people (people traffickers or asylum claimants or those simply wanting to disappear into the black market, give one shiny shit about our membership of the EU then you are deluded. It makes fuck all difference to them whether we have international trade agreements with Europe or not. Do you think they were all set to claim asylum in the EU, but when they heard that the Tories had fucked it up, they packed up and said ‘Onwards to Calais’? Of course they bloody weren’t! The things we had in place before Brexit were so ineffective that us not having them anymore would make no difference. We couldn’t just send people back to Europe before Brexit and we couldn’t do it after Brexit.

So a city the size of Leeds every year are descending on our Country? This is absolutely insane, how long will this continue? This has to stop our country is broken as it is, what will it be like in 10 years time if this continues, I absolutely dread to think.