£15bn on hotels?

Why does their immigration status matter?

What does that have to do with anything?

That doesn't tell me about their immigration status though.

I'm sure they were a doctor or an engineer.

That doesn't tell me about their immigration status though.

That area is Hillingdon and it used to be a nice residential area.

why is this government or previous governments hellbent on destroying our way of life

Was the perpetrator an asylum seeker? If not, how is this linked to the op?

It's in the article. 22 year old Afghan national.

Absolutely horrendous.

Was the perpetrator an asylum seeker? If not, how is this linked to the op?

just awful

Just going to leave this here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ypkd57n97o

I think you need to look at the worldwide statistics around long COVID.

These threads don't half evolve....

There was a programme years ago where an MP tried to live on UB and wasn't able to. It would be really hard especially once any number of consumer electricals broke.

£400 for food and utilities. Sounds doable short term. But no TV, internet, phone, car, clothes, etc etc. It should be that working full time should significantly increase comfort levels. That people don't must have a huge variety of reasons beyond just laziness.

most people don’t hate them. There are nuances of language

i would rather they didn’t come especially when they won’t adapt to our way of life and are costing a lot of money

So we have large numbers of men illegally entering our country, some who are actual terrorists, rapists and murders and a number are actively hostile to our way of life but we’re not even allowed to call them ‘incomers’??

Are we allowed to call the man from Sudan who stabbed Rhiannon Whyte in the head 23 times in a ‘frenzied attack’ an incomer? What about ‘not one of us’? Is that allowed in your rather draconian aim to silence essential conversation on the issue?

And see compliance fall through the floor next time there is a pandemic. Ppl were TOLD to stay home and not work.

It is hard to go from shutting people out of work to getting them back. The bill is growing and unsustainable though.

Plus the rent contributions, plus council reductions, plus free school meals. plus free dentistry plus plus plus. It all adds up to a very easy life for those who can't be arsed to do anything productive. Not luxury but easy.

Benefits are just over £400 per calender month. Noone on them is living a life of luxury.

It's 15.3 billion for ten years using contracts from 2019 from the Tories.
Asylum seekers get £49 a week to live on. Less if the accommodation provides meals.

In contrast, bailing out the banks in 2008 cost 137 billion, and the people that caused that are still getting record breaking bonuses.

It didn't, though did it? What the pandemic did was make an awful lot of people realise that living on the state is pretty easy. They got used to spending the day on the xbox. Cut benefits by 50% and a remarkable number of people will suddenly decide that they can actually work.

That was a perfectly coherent reply from @Middleoftheroad.

A tip, if you’re struggling to follow something that straightforward, you can always paste it into ChatGPT and ask it to explain it to you.

They’re not insinuations. The right are well versed in dressing up their hate behind seemingly inert words and phrases. Illegals, fighting age men, British values, Christian Country, etc., etc, all used to strip away people’s humanity and other them. “Incomers” is just another attempt at that.

I mean, why did they even need to distinguish in that reply? Why not just say 18.2 million people arrived and 10 million left? What’s the purpose of adding that label of incomers unless it’s to mark people as “other”?

In the 1990’s they were coming in the planes, then airport security got better so the lorry’s, then port security got better and truckers more vigilant so now they come on the boats.

I don’t understand why you’re so resistant to accepting that Dublin did us no favours at all and we’d have been better off ditching it a few years before Brexit. Is it an anti Brexit thing? You’re so cross about it that you want to attribute all of our current issues to it? I understand that, but you’re flogging a dead horse over Dublin.

Yes, if it makes you happy, we technically had the means to argue that case, but looking at the stats, we had very few cases that met the criteria we needed to satisfy before we could argue it. I repeat, we accepted more people under Dublin than we removed. It was not a loss to the UK.

And of course, one of the criteria was demonstrating that asylum applicants had been in a particular country. Do you think EU countries would simply take our word for it that an asylum applicant had said he’d been through countries A, B and C en route to the UK? Even if he admitted to knowing his route? And bearing in mind that France is not the only country in Europe that is not landlocked, do you think they’d be willing to accept the return of thousands of asylum seekers from the UK because it’s ’obvious’ that’s where they came from? No, they absolutely wouldn’t.

Hardly anyone uses it to resolve issues. It’s not what it was for. It’s not a deterrent or a way to move large numbers of people.

From another thread

In 2024 Germany has asked Bulgaria to take back 8,090 people who were registered as migrants for the first time on Bulgarian territory. Bulgaria has said it is responsible for 3,297 migrants, but in reality 290 people have been returned.

Italy was supposed to take in 12,841 migrants, but in fact it took in only three.

Other EU countries, which send the most migrants to Germany, are also taking in almost no people, despite being obliged to do so. Greece has taken in 22 people, and Croatia has returned 533 people

It’s almost irrelevant in terms of a solution to migration issues, hence protests in Dublin, and the other thing that people bring up the database has also not stopped hideous crimes in Germany, France and elsewhere.

The EU is a good trading bloc. People entering and going where they want to via vast criminal networks is outside that. You can only resolve that with barriers.

Wow, it's almost like we just had a major global pandemic which has left a lot of people disabled...