To think Toby Carvery is working class ?

No, I agree it's very difficult to eat out well and reasonably priced with a family. My kids love Bella Italia, but we only tend to go when we've got Tesco rewards to spend 😂

I think many people have. I don’t think Mn is representative of the general public in his respect. I think outside of this there are lots of mature discussions about class discrimination and more understanding of what class means.

MN has this weird hyacinth bucket view that as the poster above said, the WC are criminal scallywags and anyone with a mortgage and a degree is automatically middle class. it’s group think.

It’s kind of jarring to come on here and be told I’ve got middle class privilege or something by someone who earns three times what I do and is wanting sympathy for great grandpa working down a mine

Is it not about time the English moved on from their obsession with class? It’s a bit pathetic.

Im working class but think it's shit .. all of it ..where that that put me .. and I'm not on any kind of benefits and work 2 jobs

Exactly and on MN are generally based on offensive stereotypes about what it means to be working class, ie rough, badly dressed, loud, uneducated, valuing quantity over quality as a marker of a desirable establishment. I am working class and am nothing of those things, only MN would say I am not working class because I have multiple professional qualifications, earn over £70k, listen to Radio 4, prefer tapas in Puerto Pollensa to egg and chips in Benidorm etc etc. Until they met me and noted my regional accent.

I don't mind a Toby Carvery because they can be a good lunch option while out for work, quick, reasonably healthy if you go for meat and veg over Yorkshire puddings and stuffing, decent value and a lot more appetising than a fridge cold garage sandwich.

Absolutely , despite posting on mn for 15 years.

but that stilll doesn’t explain why you think income is related to class and why someone with a factory worker grandad can’t be working class?

You’ve missed the boo hoo my great grandpa worked in a factory (way back when most men worked jobs like that) and now I face “classist” discrimination everywhere I go stuff?
Usually said by posters on incomes far above average strangely enough

I'm what you would consider middle class and we go to Toby Carvery. The kids love it and so do we!

God, I so agree it's terrible

Very proletarian

Why do you think your ideas about class are correct? You’ve said above you think class is dictated by income, which it’s not.

people have the right to self identify their class, but as well as that class is very clearly embedded in background, culture and upbringing.

eta- why on earth would people want sympathy for being WC?

Whilst roast dinners can vary in quality and stuff such as crispy potatoes versus soggy it’s just a very basic dinner. Pile them high sell them cheap.

It’s the Asda of eating out, cheap and cheerful but who doesn’t love a bargain sometimes.

We went to a Toby Carvery a couple of weeks ago and I really don't get what the fuss is about! Sure, it's cheap and, I guess, cheerful, but the food wasn't that nice! The Yorkshire pudding was rubbery, the meat was dry, the gravy was bland! I'd rather pay a bit extra and get a carvery that is a treat!
Couldn't care less if my fellow diners are working class though - what a weird thing to say!

That’s fair enough some people have strange ideas around class on here from the ones wanting sympathy for apparently being working class because their grandad worked in a factory. To the age you had your first child thread where I was told I’m not middle class because I had my first at 16 (apparently 20s is working and 30s is middle).
Now this toby carvery thread which I haven’t read the whole thing but assume it’s a joke.

And I’ve just remembered the holiday thread where butlins is apparently working class and centre parks is middle.

Hi, sorry yes I know all that but was just stating that its not cheap, i probsbly didnt word it well. I really like Toby Carvery and having 2 out of 3 ND children its great as they can pick and choose. I have blue light card but generally we are only able to go on Sundays when there doesnt seem to be any discount. I actually think even at full price they are good value but that doesnt equal cheap for a family.

Class and income are not related

Our local one is chav central and really tatty. Others Ive been to have been tidy, clean and pleasant with 'better' customers.

Wetherspoons is microwaved meals and their profits and low cost are a result of the size of their margins (cheap food, inferior quality) because they treat their staff so badly (low pay, high workload).

Toby actually represent pretty good value for money, particularly so if you can find a 20% off deal which are fairly common. Their set midweek menus are worth a look. And if you or someone you know have a bluelight card, you get 20% off.

No, I'm not on a commission with them.

Granted I don’t eat meat so can’t comment on that but the rest was just tasteless slop
Including the roasts which were just tasteless and greasy with no crispy outer

Of course it is but it’s not nice to point it out

In the uk class isn’t related to income.

I think it's more about household income, surely? A single parent on 100k pre-tax couldn't afford private school fees.

Our household income is close to that (pre-tax, joint income). According to a quick Google we're considered upper middle class. We are comfortable enough, yes - I'm not complaining. We have enough money for everything we need and some of what we want. We definitely can't afford private school, though.

And we're eating at Toby tonight, so not sure where that leaves us 😅

I love it.

Eek yes sorry. That was a term my dd2 used when she was little and it’s stuck so hard I forget it’s not a well known phrase or saying. I’m banged to rights there!

I agree, there are 5 of us and its not cheap for 1 drink and the standard plate. Nowhere other than wetherspoons is cheap any more unless there are special deals