To think Toby Carvery is working class ?

Who is making you feel guilty and lectured for your middle class privilege? You keep saying it, yet no one has done it on this post.

If you’re talking about some random conversation from the past why do you keep bringing it up in a different context?

So I should feel guilty and be lectured on my middle class privilege because I’m being destroyed every month by my mortgage I should be lectured by someone who’s rent is probably half my mortgage and earns four times my wage 😂ffs

Now been inspired to google and my closest Toby is 4 miles away & 57 minutes by public transport in Wanstead… Is it worth the visit?

Have you explained how a brick layer living in a council house who earns £100k can be upper middle class as you have suggested?

This is a great post but I feel the need to warn you it’s going to be picked apart by posters who can’t understand it

There are levels of privelege.

The privilege that traditional middle class people have is education & connections. The son of a plumber earning £80k might be financially well off but will have come from a family where no-one went to university, their parents don't know how to navigate the system, maybe the child has SEN and doesn't know how to advocate at school or medically. Maybe education isn't valued or access to the arts is denied. They have no cultural capital.

Compare that with my kids who although came from a family with the same income have two parents who went to university, knew what to say and do to professionals in the system when SEN was suspected. We thought nothing of paying for piano lessons and dance lessons instead of other things and we were able to advice with university applications, in fact we actually led them to believe that uni was an option. They had those advantages.

There are levels of privelege.

The privilege that traditional middle class people have is education & connections. The son of a plumber earning £80k might be financially well off but will have come from a family where no-one went to university, their parents don't know how to navigate the system, maybe the child has SEN and doesn't know how to advocate at school or medically. Maybe education isn't valued or access to the arts is denied. They have no cultural capital.

Compare that with my kids who although came from a family with the same income have two parents who went to university, knew what to say and do to professionals in the system when SEN was suspected. We thought nothing of paying for piano lessons and dance lessons instead of other things and we were able to advice with university applications, in fact we actually led them to believe that uni was an option. They had those advantages.

Have you explained how a brick layer living in a council house who earns £100k can be upper middle class as you have suggested?

Have you explained how a brick layer living in a council house who earns £100k can be upper middle class as you have suggested?

Where did I waffle on about being working class? Can you refer me to the post? Only I think you must be thinking of a different poster

Right I've lost track a bit to be honest but you reckon you're middle right?

Or do you reckon you're working class?

Nah, 50K is not working class. But as I said before it's all completely subjective and all the words we're using have different connotations, implications, inferences, for us all, and they're probably all coloured by our own egos too.

You especially though. You won't share what you think as you believe it's something so esoteric that you couldn't possibly explain it but I don't believe you.

Give it a go! go on. go on. go on ah go on.

acknowledging it by waffling on about being working class while being completely unaware most middle class people and white people are on way less money than you. And lecturing us on our privilege ?

£50k 😂😭 here’s a shocker: I was earning £50k 20 years ago when newly qualified. I think £50k is a very average if not low wage 😱

It has no impact at all on my class identity.

I certainly am privileged, and I acknowledge that and use it positively in the decisions I make and in the ways I use my influence and access to power.

as we all should

£50k is loads higher than average. My dh was on £22k at the height of his career 11 years ago. I think £28k is the national average.

YOU are privileged to think 50k is a low wage, probably far more privileged than the majority of white people middle class people and men 🙄

feeling bad about privilege isn’t a productive thing. I would rather white people/ men/ the able bodied would consider the privilege that comes with their good luck when making decisions that impact the less fortunate around them, of course.

£50k 😂😭 here’s a shocker: I was earning £50k 20 years ago when newly qualified. I think £50k is a very average if not low wage 😱

It has no impact at all on my class identity.

So you do want middle class people to feel bad about their “privilege “ while you probably earn three times the average wage.

£50k 😂😭 here’s a shocker: I was earning £50k 20 years ago when newly qualified. I think £50k is a very average if not low wage 😱

It has no impact at all on my class identity.