To think Toby Carvery is working class ?

Hussaini · 27/10/2025 16:42

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 16:27

But it’s an example you’ll pick apart, demanding that I justify minor details. I’ve done enough of that already. It’s not interesting and adds nothing to the discussion.

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I haven’t picked anything apart I already said I agree with you that the stuff about liking football/butlins vs centre parks/ having kids over 30 is nonsense. I think it’s more to do with income but you say it’s not income so what is it that defines it? In your opinion? The other stuff you said was kind of vague

maddiemookins16mum · 27/10/2025 16:27

Of course it is, a high % of this fine country is working class. It’s popular. Same as ‘Spoons, that’s working class.

Back in the day Berni was working class.

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 16:27

Hussaini · 27/10/2025 16:26

Just to use yourself as an example of how you classify someone’s class

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But it’s an example you’ll pick apart, demanding that I justify minor details. I’ve done enough of that already. It’s not interesting and adds nothing to the discussion.

JohnTheRevelator · 27/10/2025 16:26

I love a Toby carvery. And yes,I would regard myself as coming from a working class family. Actually,I probably shouldn't be on Mumsnet, should I? 😂

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 16:26

Swiftie1878 · 27/10/2025 16:20

Interestingly, someone’s class is rarely decided by the person themself.
It’s a third party deal.

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Yes but unless they have power over me, it doesn’t matter.

if they have power over me, i strongly suspect we are aligned on our view of my class 😂

Hussaini · 27/10/2025 16:26

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 16:18

I’m not interested in justifying my class to you. I know my life and my background and I know how I identify. You know nothing about me and have no right to argue with me about it.

Just to use yourself as an example of how you classify someone’s class

Bjorkdidit · 27/10/2025 16:24

Swiftie1878 · 27/10/2025 16:20

Interestingly, someone’s class is rarely decided by the person themself.
It’s a third party deal.

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Well quite. People see them eating in chain carveries and make all sorts of assumptions about their income, upbringing, education and interests based on a short observation.

Livpool · 27/10/2025 16:21

I do love a Toby carvery - I am working class though!

Swiftie1878 · 27/10/2025 16:20

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 16:18

I’m not interested in justifying my class to you. I know my life and my background and I know how I identify. You know nothing about me and have no right to argue with me about it.

Interestingly, someone’s class is rarely decided by the person themself.
It’s a third party deal.

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 16:18

I’m not interested in justifying my class to you. I know my life and my background and I know how I identify. You know nothing about me and have no right to argue with me about it.

Hussaini · 27/10/2025 16:14

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 16:10

It doesn’t change your class. It tells you nothing alone.

I’ve said so many times identifying the class you belong to (if you can’t actually do it yourself, what with you knowing yourself best and all) it isn’t black and white. It isn’t some isolated measure. There is no isolated measure of social class

In the post where I mentioned socio economic diversity I mentioned at least 10 other indicators of class, most more important than your social economic diversity.

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What class would you say you are and why would you say you’re it?

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JoanneTeresa · 27/10/2025 16:14

PoppyRoseBucky · 27/10/2025 16:03

oh no, not the working class! Since you were there-I'll make the assumption you are also working class.

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You are correct !

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Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 16:10

RubySquid · 27/10/2025 15:52

Well you were stating about social economic status and people you (and your kids) are exposed to.

So do the people im exposed to change my" class" If so in which way.?

TBH I really can't imagine only associating with people with the same sort of jobs/ income. Sounds very insular

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It doesn’t change your class. It tells you nothing alone.

I’ve said so many times identifying the class you belong to (if you can’t actually do it yourself, what with you knowing yourself best and all) it isn’t black and white. It isn’t some isolated measure. There is no isolated measure of social class

In the post where I mentioned socio economic diversity I mentioned at least 10 other indicators of class, most more important than your social economic diversity.

user793847984375948 · 27/10/2025 16:09

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 14:45

Cultural and finance capital (not income) but also background, culture, family history, location, access to diversity, access to power, your job/ source of income, the people you surround yourself with and align yourself to, life experience- many many things make you who you are.

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Wait, this isn't who you are. This is what class you're in. Are you a bot? 😂

Dramatic · 27/10/2025 16:04

Hussaini · 27/10/2025 16:01

Yeah but she says the boss of waste management would introduce his kids to refuse collectors. I don’t see that being common at all

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Yeah ok fair point. But just on your last point of only associating with people on the same income/same type of jobs, I genuinely don't know how I'd ever come in to contact with someone who isn't, it just isn't like that round here.

PoppyRoseBucky · 27/10/2025 16:03

JoanneTeresa · 26/10/2025 18:46

I went this week and was looking around at the likely demographic

oh no, not the working class! Since you were there-I'll make the assumption you are also working class.

Hussaini · 27/10/2025 16:01

Dramatic · 27/10/2025 15:58

To be fair she's got a point, we're working class and our friends include unemployed people, shop workers, low paid office workers, cleaners etc. I don't know anyone in a high powered job and I don't know how I would come in to contact with someone who has a career like that. We live in a small NE town.

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Yeah but she says the boss of waste management would introduce his kids to refuse collectors. I don’t see that being common at all

Dramatic · 27/10/2025 15:58

RubySquid · 27/10/2025 15:52

Well you were stating about social economic status and people you (and your kids) are exposed to.

So do the people im exposed to change my" class" If so in which way.?

TBH I really can't imagine only associating with people with the same sort of jobs/ income. Sounds very insular

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To be fair she's got a point, we're working class and our friends include unemployed people, shop workers, low paid office workers, cleaners etc. I don't know anyone in a high powered job and I don't know how I would come in to contact with someone who has a career like that. We live in a small NE town.

Boomer55 · 27/10/2025 15:58

What’s working class? Junk food, cheap meals, Harvesters, Toby’s?🤷‍♀️

Does it matter?

If you like them go. If you don’t, then don’t go. 🙄

RubySquid · 27/10/2025 15:54

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 15:43

Or “money talks wealth whispers” or equally bullshit bootlicker phrases parroted by wannabe Nancy mitfords.

maybe the new one should be “you might earn £100k but you still go to toby cavery” 😂😂

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Lol I might even eat there myself for a 100 k income. .

TBH I only know the one near me ( partners bloody family do's that I try to avoid)

No issue with carvery in general. There was a nice one in another local town but unfortunately that closed

RubySquid · 27/10/2025 15:52

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 15:44

What do you mean how does it work for you?

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Well you were stating about social economic status and people you (and your kids) are exposed to.

So do the people im exposed to change my" class" If so in which way.?

TBH I really can't imagine only associating with people with the same sort of jobs/ income. Sounds very insular

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 15:44

RubySquid · 27/10/2025 15:29

Ok so how does it work for me. I've live in a fairly affluent town. Have friends from unemployed lady ,( due to disability) tax barrister, accountants, shop workers, lorry drivers,teachers head of wages, GP and lady who lunches. My kids school friends had parents from the same kind of range.. So wide range of influences

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What do you mean how does it work for you?

Hussaini · 27/10/2025 15:44

RubySquid · 27/10/2025 15:25

You've never heard the saying " money can't buy class" then have you?

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It’s not meant to be taken literally. People said it about prince harry when he used to smoke pot and get into trouble does that mean he’s not upper class?
saw People on here saying working class don’t have books in their houses, when you can get a book for 20p from the charity shop you really think someone who’s broke and works as a cleaner goes up a class because they bought a 20p book.
Also saw someone say middle class have children in their 30s and working in their 20s but I’m middle class and had my eldest at 16. That’s before we get into Elon musk who’s obviously upper class and has a multitude of children unsure when he started but probably quite young.

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 15:43

RubySquid · 27/10/2025 15:25

You've never heard the saying " money can't buy class" then have you?

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Or “money talks wealth whispers” or equally bullshit bootlicker phrases parroted by wannabe Nancy mitfords.

maybe the new one should be “you might earn £100k but you still go to toby cavery” 😂😂

Hussaini · 27/10/2025 15:31

Bambamhoohoo · 27/10/2025 15:22

Does it matter? the example came from my best friend whose dad has been director of waste for 25 years and has many refuse collector friends. But even so, again, you’ve jumped on a tiny detail after demanding I give you a big picture answer

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Not a tiny detail in general who introduces their kids to their colleagues unless you’re close friends which you are unlikely to be best friends with your boss and the director is surely very unlikely to introduce his kids to his subordinates?