To ask you to swerve Shein & Temu

Yes but surely reusing a product is better than not and not contributing directly to Shein is better than doing so? Also you can’t really resell Shein (they can’t give it away for a quid a pop at my local charity shops) so I don’t understand how the value is reimbursed? But I’d genuinely like to know if you have an answer.

I’m not one of these people who berates others for buying from these suppliers btw.

But why would a top from Shein be more likely to end up in landfill than a top from Next?
Or a manicure kit from Temu be more likely to end up in landfill than one from Boots?

Whether you buy new or you buy second hand, the product is still in use. And you just re imbursed part of the value back to the original buyer who supposedly paid for slave Labour.

But second hand is not the point. What no one has been able to articulate is that how are they servicing the morals and principles by guaranteeing they don’t buy anything linked with Chinese supply chains. Maybe some morally superior being will come along and explain how that have managed to achieve this feat.

https://www.ibanet.org/Business-and-human-rights-growing-pressure-to-root-out-modern-slavery-in-supply-chains

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdrylgvr77jo.amp

A quick Google will throw up really quite a lot of information, if you care to look.

Okay explain it to me? Surely buying used and not directly adding to Shein’s profits is better than buying from them?

I doubt many people are actually buying Shein stuff used anyway. It has practically no resale value.

Oh dear, that’s not how the economy works. Even the circular economy.

This is a tad embarrassing.

I’m talking about the used stuff. Even if she knowingly buys a used top from Shein, for example, she’s not giving Shein any of her money, is she?

How do you know? Even the poster herself accepts that she is not guaranteed to avoid buying things linked to Chinese supply chains.

It’s not the same though, is it? She’s not giving the companies that use slave labour any of her money.

The hilarious thing is, that some of them believe that buying from a "reputable UK company" means that it's not the same old cheap crap churned out by shein and temu.
A lot of it is.

I don't know if English isn't your first language, but you're either deliberately misunderstanding my posts or you're not understanding them.

This conversation is becoming circular and I'm not going to keep repeating myself, so I will simply refer you back to what I've already posted.

If you're happy to knowingly use slave labour to get your cheap merchandise, then we're never going to see eye to eye.

It’s always the same people virtue signalling and telling those with less money how to live.

The same out of touch, hard of thinking with their luxury beliefs. Telling people buy only from local farm shops even it means they consume less. Not buy online etc.

It’s great to see people buying as much they can afford and being able to enjoy the things that these virtue signallers don’t want others to enjoy. I hope people buy more and more.

I was given 23 pencils for a class of 31 so yes there are schools that don’t have enough resources for all their pupils and god forbid if some get lost - there aren’t any to replace them! You clearly haven’t worked in a school if you think we’d get away with saying children can’t write becuase we don’t have the resources. If a parent would ever like to donate an ethically sourced box of pencils to a class so I wouldn’t have to use my own salary I would be delighted. Somehow I don’t think that’s likely to happen though.

What actual proof do you have that slave labour is used? I mean actual real proof? And, more to the point, what proof do you have that 'ethical' companies are just that? Because they 'say so'? 🙄

The fact is, unless you live in a commune in the wilderness, wear the same rags day in day out, never buy anything for your kids, and never use ANY hair/body/make-up products, you're just as responsible for keeping the 'trade' going as 'Sharon at No.37' who orders some cheap toys from Shein!

So you are basically buying the same Chinese made goods, manufactured in the same supply chains that you are arguing against. But somehow lecturing others to avoid SHEIN and Temu. Probably because it is easy to virtue signal.

Thanks for clarifying.

What actual proof do you have that slave labour is used? I mean actual real proof? And, more to the point, what proof do you have that 'ethical' companies are just that? Because they 'say so'? 🙄

The fact is, unless you live in a commune in the wilderness, wear the same rags day in day out, never buy anything for your kids, and never use ANY hair/body/make-up products, you're just as responsible for keeping the 'trade' going as 'Sharon at No.37' who orders some cheap toys from Shein!

So you are basically buying the same Chinese made goods, manufactured in the same supply chains that you are arguing against. But somehow lecturing others to avoid SHEIN and Temu. Probably because it is easy to virtue signal.

Thanks for clarifying.

I do know, that's why I said I buy as ethically as I can and make every effort to avoid it.

You should be aware that not all Chinese supply chains involve slave labour. It is however a known issue with Temu and Shein suppliers.

Maybe you didn’t know this, but it’s not only goods sold on Shein and Temu that are made in China. Shock, horror. Also, these second hand goods you are buying, they were made somewhere right, they didn’t fall out of the sky.

So, how exactly are you guaranteeing that these goods have nothing to do with Chinese supply chains and therefore slave Labour? Is the question any clearer?

Sorry but this argument is totally fatuous.

There is NO valid excuse to use slavery in this day and age.

Absolutely none.

You certainly don't get to use slavery to bring yourself "a little bit of joy".

I mean what the actual fuck. What else is it ok to use slaves for as long as it's cheap.

As I said in my posts, a few times, I mainly avoid it by buying second hand.

My posts are relatively short and I have had to repeat myself several times. I am not sure what you're failing to comprehend.

I practice what I preach by a) not buying from Temu or Shein and b) buying as ethically as I can (i.e. buying second hand).

I am not sure how much more simply I can put it.

So how are you avoiding it then? If you are not avoiding it and buying goods made by slave labour, why are you lecturing others.

Your argument makes no sense and you are clearly not practicing what you preach. In common parlance, that’s known as hypocrisy

Happy to swerve and don’t need to make xenophobic comments about the Chinese only making shit to do it (not you op but others here, China exports a lot of very high quality and essential stuff we all take for granted)

Where did I say "I don't have any way of avoiding good linked to Chinese supply chains", please?

I said I make every effort to avoid it. In most cases I can easily avoid it by buying second hand.

Once again, I will ask: where else do you think slavery is acceptable?