To ask you to swerve Shein & Temu

😂😘😅

I find it genuinely hard to believe (not as a figure of speech) that people don't care about the suffering of those in slavery or endangered animals, so what drives the "I love plastic, give me everything from Temu" attitude? Is it a kind of internal bravado/denial to avoid having to feel any guilt? Where if you say it enough you might start to believe it?

Urgh.

I keep seeing Temu reminders on this site, and going back to add more to my latest cart. Got one parcel out for delivery, placing another one tomorrow. Love getting the plastic bags and opening them, it's like mini Christmas when they arrive.

Same stuff as Amazon, but cheaper. Love it.

The argument that unless you do everything perfectly, you can't have an opinion on what other people do makes absolutely no sense. It's not 0 or 1. Trying to do better is still better than not trying at all. Not caring about slavery and the impacts on endangered animals and smugly hoping that people buy "more and more" or should do whatever they want for "temporary joy" is plainly much, much worse than buying fewer things, secondhand, and trying to get them from more ethical supply chains, even if the results of that aren't perfect. It's basically impossible to live totally ethically in the world we have now, but there's still a huge difference between trying and caring, and glorying in contributing to the bad in the world.

Vinted is cheap as chips 😂 I sold a t-shirt on there today for £1.50. How much cheaper do you want???

Don't be so disingenuous. A £1.50 t-shirt on Vinted has an additional insurance cost and postage cost. That'll be about £4.50 in total, give or take. I buy new on Vinted and get some fantastic bargains - my all in price for dresses is about £15. Regularly get new with tags from Joules, White Stuff, Twisted Wunder etc for that. But not worth £4.50 for a second hand tshirt.

And here we go again with the nonsense about unless you are living in a cave then you have no room to comment.

Isn't it obvious that being a meat-eater who flies a couple of times a year who buys at Shein/Temu is worse than being the same person who doesn't? It's hardly a big imposition to suggest that you don't shop at Temu or Shein.

It's not just about the environmental consequences either like the flights to bring all this stuff over to the UK or the pollution caused by creating it. It;s also about ripping off designers, lack of safety standards, slave labour, data harvesting from the sites, the cost of disposing of all this stuff people are buying, loss of UK retailing jobs etc etc etc.

Shein's average shopper spends $100 A MONTH on clothes through the site. That is a lot of poorly made, straight to landfill shite. And obviously average means that many people are buying a lot more.

Must be able to point to plenty of evidence then.

I don't buy anything off Etsy without checking AliExpress for the item these days. Loads of stuff on there is from China with a huge mark up.

I think you'd be better off just growing your own veg and dressing in sackcloth. I hope there are no electronics in your house and God forbid if you wear a diamond ring.

Don't fly anywhere
Don't eat anything
Sell your car
Give up your phone
Quit your unhealthy mumsnet habit.

The sanctimony on this post is something else.

Unless you’re a vegan who doesn’t have children, never gets on a plane, doesn’t drive, never buys anything that was created in its entirety in the UK and doesn’t eat anything that wasn’t grown in the UK, then you have got sod all rights to be asking anyone else to moderate their shopping because you think they don’t really need to buy a cheap top because it’s bad for the environment.

Good, at least you accept your motivations are nothing more than virtue signalling. Thought as much.

Nope. I love temu tat and shein shit.

Exactly this! It's pointless trying to make people try and understand. They will never get it.

That's quite some leap you've made there. We're talking specifically about buying products from Shein. That's an entirely separate conversation.

But nobody is saying it’s ok to use slaves or child labour.
But if you are on a very low income and can get an item you need for £1 on one of those sites, or £5 elsewhere, of course you will end up going for the cheaper version.
This is the reality for some people.
I needed clothes this summer. I spent £20 on Shein for 6 items. I wouldn’t have even been able to buy one probably in Next for example.

Because cheaper shite from Shein and Temu probably won't last as long.

You literally do not know this to be true at all. I bought a bright green shorts/tee co-ord from Shein. Washed it for the first time with a Colour Catcher in the drum... ZERO colour loss/run and the Colour Catcher was still white.

Conversely, I've paid way more for other items that have literally dyed entire washes! So it's not fair to Shein items dont last.

On that basis, it's also OK for men to have sex with trafficked women.

I work in import and supply chain.
That's how I know.

I've never bought from either (for the multitude of environmental, ethical and safety reasons given by pp) and I absolutely judge anyone who does

But I buy from there and the clothes have lasted ages. I’ve not thrown anything out from Shein yet. Ditto Temu.

How do you know it isn't?