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Peoplecoveredinfish · 25/10/2025 13:12

I was prescribed testosterone by gynaecologist on 16/9. I have chased this three times, and had no response. I’ve still had no response, but I see from my record that the practice has written to the gynae. They’ve been pretty good about menopause, but this is a shitty misogynist policy.

TLDR: We don’t prescribe testosterone for women because it would be off licence. We prescribe off licence medication all the time, but we won’t prescribe this one, because we aren’t familiar with it and we don’t think women really need it. We think women need counselling for their made up symptoms. Even though we are not specialists and the specialist has asked us to do this, we think we know better.

The actual letter…

We have recently been receiving an increasing number of letters from the menopause clinics requesting us to prescribe testosterone for patients who are menopausal but have an intact uterus and ovaries and feel their menopausal symptoms are not being fully controlled on Oestrogen replacement therapy.
As you are aware, this medication is not licensed for women in the UK, so a clinician can only prescribe it off licence.
While there are many drugs that GPs do prescribe off licence, these are medications that we are familiar with, and there is known evidence to prove their efficacy and safety.
The GMC guidance around Good medical practice clearly states that “14 You must recognise and work within the limits of your competence. 16 In providing clinical care you must: a) prescribe medicine or treatment, including repeat prescriptions, only when you have adequate knowledge of the patient’s health, and are satisfied that the medicine or treatment serve the patient’s needs, b) provide effective treatments based on the best available evidence.”
Also “You are responsible for the prescriptions that you sign. You must only prescribe medicine when you have adequate knowledge of your patient’s health. And you must be satisfied that the medicine serves your patient’s need.”
The British Menopause Society states “Randomised clinical trials of testosterone to date have not demonstrated the beneficial effects of testosterone therapy for cognition, mood, energy, and musculoskeletal health. Further better designed studies are required with these health issues as primary outcome measures as some individuals report improvement of these symptoms. Until these data are available, the primary indication for testosterone should therefore be for HSDD following a biopsychosocial approach.”
We are thus unable to continue issuing testosterone prescriptions to our patients whom you have seen in clinic and advise they need testosterone. We expect you as the secondary care specialist in this area to manage these prescriptions and continue to issue and monitor their safety in those patients.
We would kindly request that you avoid telling our patients to contact the surgery for the GP to continue the prescriptions for testosterone. Furthermore, any letters we receive requesting this, will be returned with a TCS letter.

OP posts:
justasking111 · 25/10/2025 14:53

Anyahyacinth · 25/10/2025 14:44

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NameChanged100thTime · 25/10/2025 14:51

Matsukaze · 25/10/2025 13:21

GP here. If an unlicensed medication is commenced by a specialist, it has been reviewed by said specialist and patient is benefitting from it without any problems then there isn't a reason why I wouldn't continue it if got the appropriate letters from clinic etc

Thank you. Good to hear from someone who has accurate knowledge and experience in this area.

Rosscameasdoody · 25/10/2025 14:51

oldclock · 25/10/2025 14:49

Nope. Not true.

(DOI I'm a GP involved in pathway planning and I spend a lot of time reminding consultants that they are perfectly capable of ordering and giving a vaccine if related to the condition for which they are treating the patient, and indeed they are contractually and from a good governance perspective obliged to do so).

This is what I couldn’t understand with the shingles vaccine - why ask the GP to do it if the Consultant was the one who wanted it administered ?

SoScarletItWas · 25/10/2025 14:50

IkaBaar · 25/10/2025 13:41

Why can’t the gynaecologist prescribe it for you? I can understand a GP not wanting to prescribe a medication they don’t feel competent to prescribe. Having said that I feel for you stuck between a gynaecologist who wants the GP to do it, and the ago who doesn’t want to.

You can often get a private prescription from one of the many menopause specialists but that is very expensive. So women try to get their GP to prescribe via the NHS and pay the lower prescription charge.

I don’t blame them. I mean, us. I had the same initial battle to get bog standard oestrogen and progesterone plus topical oestrogen cream - never mind anything ‘unusual’ like testosterone.

Rosscameasdoody · 25/10/2025 14:49

OnlyOnAFriday · 25/10/2025 14:20

was your drug off licence though?

No. Letrozole. Specifically to suppress Oestrogen in breast cancer.

oldclock · 25/10/2025 14:49

MaurineWayBack · 25/10/2025 14:40

Because consultants aren’t allowed to do many things. Incl it seems giving vaccination.
It’s all down to the division of work between GPs and consultants.

Nope. Not true.

(DOI I'm a GP involved in pathway planning and I spend a lot of time reminding consultants that they are perfectly capable of ordering and giving a vaccine if related to the condition for which they are treating the patient, and indeed they are contractually and from a good governance perspective obliged to do so).

Stormwhatnow · 25/10/2025 14:47

ReallyShortAttentionSpa · 25/10/2025 14:41

OP just say you’re transitioning to be a man and they will fall over themselves to affirm your new gender.

True, there's a woman, sorry trans man in my work who gets testosterone on the NHS. I know because they won't shut up about it. Meanwhile menopausal me has had absolutely appalling care around the menopause/womb issues.

Greybeardy · 25/10/2025 14:47

justasking111 · 25/10/2025 14:34

I'll tell you why in all the years of their training medical students spend three months on women's health.

I remember spending far longer on conditions that only affect women than I do on conditions that only affect men.

Beedeeoh · 25/10/2025 14:45

youalright · 25/10/2025 13:23

Although I completely understand your frustration do you really want dr prescribing medication they don't feel they have the knowledge to prescribe. Its their signature on it which means it falls back on them if a problem arises. The consultant should be the ones prescribing it if they're the ones that want you on it rather then passing the buck to the gp. Im on medication that is consultant prescribed and it makes absolutely no difference to me who prescribes it I still get it either way. This is between your gp and consultant

You're saying that as if it's esoteric knowledge that we could only expect the most highly trained specialists to have. Most GPs are happy to prescribe testosterone, and in general, where a medication is commonly required by their patients, they are expected to invest in learning about it until they are confident - that is their job.
This particular knowledge would be easy to acquire and refusing to do so suggests the GP has a pretty paternalistic attitude to menopause.

Anyahyacinth · 25/10/2025 14:44

justasking111 · 25/10/2025 14:38

My GP baulked at my eye drops for glaucoma because of the cost. Took a nudge from the consultant for them to agree.

Scary isn’t it? Farage talking about moving to an “insurance based system” and Wes Streeting having pre election meetings with huge US healthcare firms. Of course the tech they are going to spend hundreds of millions on with correct this lack of basic care 🤦‍♀️😔 Diagnostic work like biopsies, ultrasounds, pre op assessment clinics are already sold off..with a big decline in quality and at least double the cost

Greybeardy · 25/10/2025 14:43

SingingOcean · 25/10/2025 14:30

I guess GPs aren't prescribing Viagra then, what with them being generalists and not specialising in men's health.

viagra for erectile dysfunction is available over the counter for men who are medically straightforward. For men with cardiac disease then specialist advice would usually be sought.
viagra for both men and women with pulmonary hypertension would be a specialist initiation drug. Using it for ulcers is off licence and would also therefore be specialist initiation.

ReallyShortAttentionSpa · 25/10/2025 14:41

OP just say you’re transitioning to be a man and they will fall over themselves to affirm your new gender.

AInightingale · 25/10/2025 14:41

Yet they'll happily prescribe synthetic progesterone to countless women, despite the evidence that it has been linked to elevated breast cancer risk in younger menopausal women. Crazy.

justasking111 · 25/10/2025 14:41

My estriol cream everyone on Mumsnet agreed I needed took a year to get. They threw all sorts of cheaper solutions at me. When I checked online to buy. It's £26 a tube. I understood then.

OnlyOnAFriday · 25/10/2025 14:41

MaurineWayBack · 25/10/2025 14:38

Nope. Prescription should be for one month, no more.

My consultant prescribed for ten years!

MaurineWayBack · 25/10/2025 14:40

oldclock · 25/10/2025 14:34

Why didn't your consultant do the vaccine and why aren't your cross with them for not doing so?

Because consultants aren’t allowed to do many things. Incl it seems giving vaccination.
It’s all down to the division of work between GPs and consultants.

rainingsnoring · 25/10/2025 14:39

MaurineWayBack · 25/10/2025 14:38

Nope. Prescription should be for one month, no more.

Who told you that? Consultants can continue to prescribe items for their patients. It happens with a lot of medications.

justasking111 · 25/10/2025 14:38

Anyahyacinth · 25/10/2025 14:36

GPs are mini businesses within the NHS (a way to get Drs to consent to the creation of the NHS all those years ago, they were against). Full sympathy if you never voted for a party promising to cut taxes…otherwise these are the things that go with ‘small government’. In the US people aren’t getting cancer treatments or insulin because of cost…we appear to be headed their way

My GP baulked at my eye drops for glaucoma because of the cost. Took a nudge from the consultant for them to agree.

MaurineWayBack · 25/10/2025 14:38

rainingsnoring · 25/10/2025 14:37

What do you hope to achieve by 'losing your shit' at a professional who is behaving professionally and in line with their competencies @Peoplecoveredinfish? If you were only prescribed the testosterone by your specialist 5 weeks ago, you should still have some left anyway.

Nope. Prescription should be for one month, no more.

MaurineWayBack · 25/10/2025 14:37

Seeingadistance · 25/10/2025 13:16

The GP’s response seems fair enough to me. If a specialist wants this drug prescribed, then they should do the prescribing, and all monitoring etc as required and/or prudent.

That’s not the NHS works.
And theres an issue with specialist prescribing stuff GPs don’t know, aren’t sure about etc… it happens all the time. It’s not even a case of ‘off label’ prescribing. They can be the same with on label medication that are seen as ‘high risks’ (eg some meds for MH)

The problem is that consultants CANNOT give more than one prescription from the hospital pharmacy. Afterwards, the care is in the hands of the GPs.

Putting patients in the middle of an issue that’s basically a GP/consultant problem is not OK.
As far as I’m concerned, either they read on the subject (they should be able to rather than relying on ‘but we don’t normally do that’) or they trust the specialist/consultant.

Its an issue that’s coming out more and more. And the answer is really not say ‘oh fair enough if GPs don’t want to’

rainingsnoring · 25/10/2025 14:37

What do you hope to achieve by 'losing your shit' at a professional who is behaving professionally and in line with their competencies @Peoplecoveredinfish? If you were only prescribed the testosterone by your specialist 5 weeks ago, you should still have some left anyway.

OnlyOnAFriday · 25/10/2025 14:36

justasking111 · 25/10/2025 14:34

I'll tell you why in all the years of their training medical students spend three months on women's health.

Amazed it’s that long to be honest.

Anyahyacinth · 25/10/2025 14:36

GPs are mini businesses within the NHS (a way to get Drs to consent to the creation of the NHS all those years ago, they were against). Full sympathy if you never voted for a party promising to cut taxes…otherwise these are the things that go with ‘small government’. In the US people aren’t getting cancer treatments or insulin because of cost…we appear to be headed their way

justasking111 · 25/10/2025 14:36

SingingOcean · 25/10/2025 14:30

I guess GPs aren't prescribing Viagra then, what with them being generalists and not specialising in men's health.

Viagra is OTC here. Presumed it was everywhere now. GP doesn't prescribe, you buy it