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Being set up - to fail!!

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Peterpickedapickled · 25/10/2025 07:54

I have worked for the same school for 9 years in an admin role. I recently got promoted to a higher grade. The role was new and covers HR, line management and being responsible for cover when staff are absent. Staff absence was dealt with by a member of SLT previously due to the insight they have into the school/classes etc.

I have been in the role for 3 months. All going okay but I haven’t had much support, guidance or mentor support. I am just finding things out in my own and pushing ahead.

The absence cover is very challenging due to the existing process. For example, classes are fighting over staff and making demands on me that are time consuming and not necessary. Mornings are very stressful but class leads are constantly emailing or texting on my work mobile telling me that they don’t want that supply person etc. I have never done cover and I have never worked in class so it’s a challenge for me. I am trying new ways of working to help reduce my workload whilst still providing the right sort of cover that fits the needs of our students but this is becoming impossible. Each year lead wants me to work a different way, they don’t work together as leaders and instead are cherry picking and giving me unreasonable demands. They like me to update a cover spreadsheet even if that absence doesn’t need covering and when I challenge it, it’s so that it reminds them that their staff are off!! I am acting as their PA. The work is now taking me the majority of my day to complete.

We use 9 different supply agencies because that’s how the member of SLT ran it before. She never checked what they were charging the school and dealing with that many agencies is time consuming and means we can’t and never have negotiated on the cost. The school is on its knees financially! I wanted to tackle this and had a plan but this member of SLT is still keeping a foot in and she has made her own agreements with yet another new agency without letting me know. The checking and approving of time sheets takes me hours! She is also meeting with me as she still deals with staffing as a whole. In these meetings she is trying to encourage me to do what she wants with supply. She isn’t offering suggestions, she is manipulating me and the situation. I have considered these suggestions and some I have knocked back. She doesn’t like this even though I can give reasons for why.

So I have been feeding all this back to my manager who has seen the issue with his own eyes. The amount of time I spend on this is now effecting the rest of my work and meeting deadlines.

My boss spoke to me yesterday about it because that member of SLT and the Headteacher have told him to “sort me out”! Apparently it’s all gone to shit since I have been doing the job, I am making mistakes (again I have raised this with my boss because I have made some mistakes but I am new to role, no real support from anyone and just told to get on with it). I can’t meet their HR deadlines, for example, because they are giving me a few days to get job adverts out, get our vetting checks done before they want them in school working! It’s a safeguarding nightmare.

So they want to take the supply work off me and give it to a new lady who works in admin! Nothing wiil change and she will struggle too! My boss told them that it wasnt me, it was the process and how they work. He told them it was not my incompetence. He has been telling SLT for years that there are major issues and he has proposed working practices as he is the Business Manager. He told me that he will be looking at it this week and proposing a business case for staffing and costs. He said that if the spending does not reduce, the school will fail. If they don’t agree, he is taking it to Governors.

I am really upset and angry. I feel like I have been setup to fail. The role is so stressful and I am crying at home about it. What they want me to do is impossible in the hours I work. That member of SLT was even calling me in my private mobile having got my number off the staff database. I had to tell her not to do this which she didn’t like!
I want to ensure I am not the scapegoat here. My plan is to push forward with my plans to make the role more efficient and streamlined for us all whilst focusing on needs. What can I do? I feel they are tarnishing the reputation I have spent 9 years trying to build at this school.

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Peterpickedapickled · 27/10/2025 15:21

@Tutorpuzzle 🤣🤣 yes it was great advice, I am going to give it a try and tell them all to feck off! Honestly if they sacked me they would be doing me a favour!

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Tutorpuzzle · 27/10/2025 14:58

Hi, @Peterpickedapickled , I have been watching this thread with interest as I work in education and over the last year and a bit have worked in two different schools as a support/cover teacher. Without going into the gory details in both jobs I have ended up doing far, far more skilled work than that I am being paid for.
I honestly don’t know why schools do this (and it seems to be pretty widespread with people I’ve talked to) other than perhaps the management does get away with it a lot of the time.
I’ve given up and (ironically) have decided to work full time as supply from January, but I have screenshotted the advice from @99bottlesofkombucha as I think it’s the best piece of career advice I’ve ever read🤣.
Good luck with what you decide to do, I’d love to read an update in the future,

Peterpickedapickled · 27/10/2025 14:42

@99bottlesofkombucha I absolutely love your advice. This is what I want to do and am going to do!

Just for some context, we have a separate HR provider but the headteacher was not supported by them at a crucial time. He has been looking for a new HR provider ever since.

We are an SEN provision across multiple sites. Supply staff have to be specific to the ranging needs of students so getting that is harder. I always try and find the most suitable supply but they are already limited as need specialist training to deal with profound learning difficulties and behaviour. We have taken all the good supply for long term gaps so are left with the supply that are new to school. I have to give them a try but year leads do t like this. They want what they can’t have! I want to build it up from the ground again and have a bank of great supply that are a good fit but they battle against my plans all the time.

This is unbelievable but when we run an advert, the DH takes so many supply staff that have been offered and interviews them first, than appoints a few all before they have shortlisted and interviewed external candidates. Sometimes there are enough external candidates for the gaps. That makes no sense to me as now you are paying a temp to perm fee of around 4k per supply person!!!

I was supposed to be doing a HR apprenticeship which hasn’t materialised yet!

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Northquit · 27/10/2025 13:44

9 different supply agencies is crazy.

If you are constantly needing supply teachers then can you get a full time teacher who will cover classes as needed? It'd probably cost less than a cover teacher.

Skodacool · 27/10/2025 13:22

TaraFalls · 26/10/2025 16:21

It sounds as though the role is too much for one person. I’d let the admin person have the job and give a handover as a PP has suggested. I knew this was going to be a school job before even clicking the link.

In a school with 350 employees it is too much for one person. For a start the HR role needs someone very knowledgeable about employment law, ideally with a law degree. It’s understandable that the school is trying to save money but they risk ending up in a costly employment tribunal.

NutButterOnToast · 27/10/2025 11:49

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 27/10/2025 11:06

Personally I think it's an awful lot of work for one person to do as a new job with no handover/support

Agree. But this is what being support staff in school is like. Endless pressure, no time to get things in place for later. Constantly reacting to things that you're the last people to be told about.

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 27/10/2025 11:06

Pawparazzi · 25/10/2025 08:41

I'm a supply teacher. You lost me when you started talking about negotiating on price with supply teaching agencies FFS. Pay teachers their worth. We are not a commodity like baked beans. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Personally I think you can't do your job.

Personally I think it's an awful lot of work for one person to do as a new job with no handover/support

99bottlesofkombucha · 27/10/2025 10:55

You’re actually doing great op, this is a really tough uphill slog and they are being useless jerks, it wouldn’t be easy for anyone.
look in the mirror, say fuck them, fuck all of them. Then go in tomorrow. Sit for 10 minutes and decide which 4 of the agencies are essential. Talk to your boss and say you’d like to give staff a chance to put their argument in for which 2 of the remaining you will keep and 3 are out. The new one the slt person has brought in is out, you can’t do your job with her sabotaging it. Then you bump 3 agencies + the new one. You need to just do it and ignore them beefing about it.

in your email say also please some reminders about how cover arrangements work and heads up as to what other changes will be coming:

there will be no cover if you haven’t called the cover line. We cannot scramble to make cover because you haven’t managed to call the right number. This is the cover line: and there is no cover anymore if you can’t go through the right channels.’

it is your job to know your staff are off. It is my job to find cover, but not to remind you that your staff has called in sick.

we will be looking to make sure methods of requesting cover are consistent across the year levels, as this is a total hotch potch and makes work very challenging. I urge you all to think about ways it would be ok to do the same thing, rather than why it has to be done completely differently for every individual, as we will be arriving at a consistent approach and if you aren’t part of the planning for that then the approach may not work as well for you.

just remember to get your boss on side first, get mad and think fuck you as you send it, then sit back and find inner peace in a good job well done, and fuck the lot of them 😊

JennyBG · 27/10/2025 10:05

Peterpickedapickled · 25/10/2025 08:56

@Pawparazzi you are misunderstanding. It’s not the price we pay for supply, you are worth your weight in gold,. It’s the mark up price the agency takes. They charge the school a fortune and pay you less. The money the agency keep is unbelievable. It has to work for you as supply and not cripple the school. If you are dealing with 9 agencies, they are not exclusive so the school can’t negotiate on price.

I think @Pawparazzi owes you an apology.

Mi1920 · 27/10/2025 08:01

Hi there, I feel you! I work in a very similar role, organising cover for 3 different schools.
It is extremely stressful in the morning, early starts, the same staff calling in sick all the time and not following the procedure, cover work not being sorted which puts the supply off coming to school.
I have an agreement in place with one agency, and have first call with them for a number of regular staff, then also have a back up agency for very busy days.

Needlenardlenoo · 27/10/2025 07:57

I understand private equity companies now own most of the supply agencies.

It would be possible to set up a not for profit one presumably, but if it were easy, someone would have done it.

welshmercury · 27/10/2025 07:06

Pawparazzi · 26/10/2025 16:15

You're still missing the point. Just get the school to employ the teacher direct.

It is tricky to arrange zero hours contracts for supply teachers. There are also new rules coming in from government about zero hour contract. Plus then there are costs like NI and pension. It should go back to councils who hold the list but obviously they outsourced to save money and it all went wrong like everything else that was sent to private sector to save money.

Granddama · 26/10/2025 23:21

It's the Agencies that set their rates. In England, Supply Teaching paid what I would be getting daily as a fully contracted teacher, with holiday pay calculated in the daily pay/ I NEVER worked through an Agency, but direct association with the school. This was however, when the Council did all its own employment of Supply work. I think you are right to question the Agencies for their prices, forget pea-nuts and Monkeys. Supply teaching is jolly hard work and often classes are much more disruptive for Supply and has nothing to do with 'bad' teaching. Try and build up your own list of Emergency cover. Good Luck.

Weetwood · 26/10/2025 23:07

Pawparazzi · 25/10/2025 08:41

I'm a supply teacher. You lost me when you started talking about negotiating on price with supply teaching agencies FFS. Pay teachers their worth. We are not a commodity like baked beans. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Personally I think you can't do your job.

Negotiating should I hope mean reducing the cut that agency takes, not necessarily reducing the supply teachers’ salaries , ie if you put a lot of business with one or two agencies then they should hopefully be happier with a smaller percentage on top of your salary.

PyewacketTheGreat · 26/10/2025 22:58

Pawparazzi · 25/10/2025 12:51

'their' worth.

Edited

If you’re suggesting ‘they’re worth’ should be amended to ‘their worth’ I’d suggest you read the paragraph again and, seriously, I hope you’re not teaching English.

Supplysupport · 26/10/2025 22:49

I don't know much about your school set up. But have a look at neutral vends to help manage your agency costs and the time spent managing this.

I work for one (if you want info pm me, regular but name changed). We flatten the fees and save you money and time.

BlushingBrightly · 26/10/2025 22:31

Pawparazzi · 26/10/2025 16:22

Obv. What a waste of time.

Rather like your posts on this thread really.

TaraFalls · 26/10/2025 22:19

Needlenardlenoo · 26/10/2025 22:16

Well I'm sure they would.

It seems though, that for whatever reason, that doesn't work for the schools.

I’ve been employed directly by schools, so some must find a way around it.

Needlenardlenoo · 26/10/2025 22:16

TaraFalls · 26/10/2025 19:28

Most agency teachers are on the enhanced DBS update service and would prefer to be employed direct by schools.

Well I'm sure they would.

It seems though, that for whatever reason, that doesn't work for the schools.

SurvivalInstinctsOfABakedPotato · 26/10/2025 20:44

justasmallbiz · 25/10/2025 09:13

Oh my god, that’s awful!! £1600 is insane. Is this for a non specialist (ie a history teacher is off so you have a cover who usually does PE) or a subject specialist (need a maths teacher and get a maths teacher)?

I would love to see schools actually go through their accounts and take responsibility and look for improvements. Sounds like you’re actually trying to do something and you’re just being seen as creating problems.

it’s not fair OP, you have my sympathy!

10 years ago when I was in a school the agency often made around £50 per person per day for a Teaching assistants and between £80-120 a day for teaching staff. So the school is paying say £150 a day for a TA but the TA was only seeing about 100 of that

Blablibladirladada · 26/10/2025 19:34

Peterpickedapickled · 26/10/2025 19:21

@Blablibladirladada I started in a bank and then I went into the police. I needed better hours so started to work in admin roles in school. I worked my way up to get this role where I was told I would be doing a college apprenticeship in HR. This is yet to materialise.

@Vitriolinsanity I took the job from someone that ended up being dismissed due to some serious issues with her work. When I took over, everything was behind and in a mess, including the SCR. I am trying to correct this work but it’s proving too much. I am so busy fire fighting that I don’t have the time to make past errors right.

@Chinsupmeloves I think you are right! I should have known really. The first person I mentioned above was dismissed (with compensation of course) and a lady took it over for 4 months as a trial, only to give it back! I then applied with others and got the job. I wondered if I would live to regret it. It’s the same with other staff as well. My colleague in Finance has the same issues.

my advice is that you look at other jobs pronto. There are so many schools in need, hopefully, you find the right one for you.

It is harder to find if you get dismissed and it looks to start looking that way. Just get out.

Good luck!

TaraFalls · 26/10/2025 19:28

Needlenardlenoo · 26/10/2025 17:50

But how would you find them? You'd have to advertise (you might not get anyone), interview and do the DBS, right to work checks etc. The agency does all that (and has probably already poached the suitable candidates...). Or you pay the agency a hefty release fee to permanently hire someone off their books. Schools are short of time as well as money as the OP details.

Most agency teachers are on the enhanced DBS update service and would prefer to be employed direct by schools.

Peterpickedapickled · 26/10/2025 19:21

@Blablibladirladada I started in a bank and then I went into the police. I needed better hours so started to work in admin roles in school. I worked my way up to get this role where I was told I would be doing a college apprenticeship in HR. This is yet to materialise.

@Vitriolinsanity I took the job from someone that ended up being dismissed due to some serious issues with her work. When I took over, everything was behind and in a mess, including the SCR. I am trying to correct this work but it’s proving too much. I am so busy fire fighting that I don’t have the time to make past errors right.

@Chinsupmeloves I think you are right! I should have known really. The first person I mentioned above was dismissed (with compensation of course) and a lady took it over for 4 months as a trial, only to give it back! I then applied with others and got the job. I wondered if I would live to regret it. It’s the same with other staff as well. My colleague in Finance has the same issues.

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Chinsupmeloves · 26/10/2025 19:04

My honest reaction is that they know fine well they have given you too much but won't admit it. It's a huge task coveing absences and only one part of your role so please just try to see it as a blessing it will be passed on. It's not you, it's the magnitude of the tasks. Hoping the new person is given more time to do it, which SLT should realise is necessary. Xxx

Blablibladirladada · 26/10/2025 18:32

What is your background op?

It is simple. Every single time someone is hired to do HR job but it isn’t an HR job…oh and you don’t need HR qualifications…you can bet it is a scapegoat role!

Honestly. You worked hard and deserve better. Go somewhere else. They do not appreciate you or else they wouldn’t have put you there. Sorry.