To think this is why Reform will win the next election “Epping hotel asylum seeker mistakenly released”

So if I cock up in my classroom it is the government’s fault?

BBC
Following our last post, let's take a look at some government data on prisoners released in error.
The latest figures show that 262 prisoners in England and Wales were mistakenly released in the year leading up to March 2025, according to the prison service's annual digest.
That's a 128% increase compared to the 115 prisoners released in error in the year ending March 2024.

I would love to know how this happened. Of all the prisoners to release. I am not generally given to conspiracy theories, but it smacks of it being not entirely accidental, the way it plays into the anti-immigration rhetoric. Most years there are a couple of dozen prison escapes, so for it to be this one seems too coincidental to me. And I doubt there would be nearly as widespread publicity about it if it weren't for the immigrant angle, if he was any other locally born rapist.

Aug 2024

Ireland applied to send more than 2,750 asylum applicants back to the EU country where they first arrived or sought international protection, but has been able to return only 31, the Department of Justice has said.

The department admitted the system for inter-country transfers was not “fit for purpose” and that what is known as the Dublin Regulation had significant problems and was ineffective.

In 2022 and 2023, Ireland continued to make a substantial number of “take back and take charge” requests, with 698 and 592 respectively. However, the number of actual returns carried out remained remarkably low, with just three in each year.

“In practice, and in keeping with the experience of all member states, the Dublin Regulation has not been effective. Across the EU, the rate of transfer compared to request remains low,”

https://www.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/ireland-applied-to-return-2758-asylum-seekers-in-the-past-four-years-but-only-31-sent-back/a2035939943.html

How do you think Reform will stop prisoners escaping?

You have to take responsibility, of course - that's the nature of leadership. But while cock-ups like this are embarrassing, they aren't really the fault of the government.

Not at all. Thats what happens when you’re in power.

Missing the point.

Because the Tories were useless, or didn't want to because they liked downward pressure on ordinary people's wages.

Why aren't Labour doing anything?

Leaving France for the UK does however strongly suggest that claims that they are in fear of their life might be a little.... exaggerated.

Prison staff work for the government.

You realise that we're currently blessed with a Labour government with a large majority who got 33% of the vote in 2024, right?

Why wouldn’t they it’s EU wide? Can you say any EU country that has resolved migration issues sending people back to country of first entry?

What is the answer then ..who else do people vote for who are sick of conservative and in desperation with labour..green ?????

Reform will probably win, although I’m not sure they will have a working majority.

I don’t think the prison service failing will cause it, I just think the normal mainstream parties have failed us all on every level. 🤷‍♀️

No, because I don't know if ROI exercises Dublin III rights or not.

Exactly - and they wouldn’t scurry off back there on holiday at the earliest opportunity. Remember all those waving UK and EU passports in Kabul when the Taliban 2.0 swept in? At least some of them will have been obtained because the recipients supposedly feared persecution on return.

My DH is from Iran. He has family in Tehran but won’t travel there because of the risk of abduction. If he wanted to live in a totalitarian Islamic dictatorship, he wouldn’t have come to the UK (as a highly skilled migrant, not on a small boat).

Suggesting that the boat arrivals are not young men, in the vast majority, is weapons-grade gaslighting.

It wasn’t a mistake by government though. Incompetent prison staff yes.

Can you say more on how ROI resolves the migrant issues they face by doing this

If we were still in the EU, the UK would have the right to return asylum seekers to the first safe EU country they arrived at, under the Dublin III regulation. We threw away that right.

I know coincidence doesn't prove causation, but I suspect that may be part of the reason why small boat arrivals weren't really much of a thing pre-Brexit.

Bit fucking late isn't it. Where was the anger at the financial crash in 2008 and bailing out bankers, and everyone's salaries or the total shambles that was Brexit (brough about by Farage) or the state secondary education system after Gove, or the total shambles which is the NHS after 14 years of Tories, or how much public money was wasted in Covid on corruption, or the energy prices going up 100% in a year, or legal immigration going up exponentially every year in 2021-24, or the number of boat people going up every year massively since 2016-24? While all the time the money flows upwards to the sort of uber wealthy plutocrats who back Farage?

I'm glad some people have finally been woken up out of their political apathy but you are now being totally manipulated by right wing journalists who are bored nepobaby cunts who think political and social instability is a bit of a laugh and makes better copy than boring old political stability and slow change. And they never report on anything remotely positive. There are always positive stories, it's not all hatred and fear. They talk the country down when we are still capable of so much, in spite of everything.

There is much to be angry about but immigrants are largely the wrong target or only one small element of what needs sorting out in this country. If you think it's bad now, Farage will drive the country into deep economic depression and probable civil war that will take a generation or more to sort out.

Too right I'm angry, I'm angry about what has happened, what is happening and what is going to be allowed to happen in a few years, the way things are going. Reform are not the answer. Political protest, sure. But end stage unfettered capitalism is the enemy.

Engage with government and tell them what you want. Demonstrate for work to pay and decent public services, for investment in local infrastructure and for cheaper housing. To get good medical care when you need it. For your kids to be able to reach their potential at school.

Farage isn't interested in any of that. He is a racist and fascist and wants race and class war. Divide and rule so his rich mates can get away with their offshore tax arrangements and betting on economy failing. Keep the money flowing upwards. A pleb class and patricians and nothing in between. He lied in 2016 and for many years before that. Don't fall for it.

You must admit , conservatives were lacking when in power and labour are not really doing much better .

Do you not think if reform joined with conservatives,
That conservatives would get a kick up the bum to be more decisive,but not let reform get away with to much to far ..
It might mean conservatives stop reform from ending the NHS ,and reform might get conservatives to be a bit more decisive on immigration .
I actually think this would be a good compromise for next election

A party like reform might do well in a referendum, but hopefully there are enough parliamentary constituencies still left with a balance of sane constituents to keep them away from government. Otherwise we have bigger worries on our hands than just the rise of Nigel farage and his supporters.

What like smash the gangs and no tax rises?

And I'm not convinced Nigel wants the responsibility of PM
I think he just likes the drama ,this way it lets him of the hook a bit