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To think it’s better to drive at 31 than 25?

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xla · 24/10/2025 08:44

When I was learning to drive my driving instructor told me it was always better to be five miles an hour under the limit than one over. I’ve been driving three years and it seems like most people actually seem to subscribe to this method of thinking?! I drove into work this morning and spent most of it sat at 24/25, despite the roads being clear, and at one point was actually undertaking people because otherwise I would be driving at 20 miles an hour. On a 30 road! Surely I’m not alone in thinking this is insane?

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Digdongdoo · 24/10/2025 10:20

xla · 24/10/2025 10:19

It was dry, clear skies and quiet roads. What need is there to drive at 20????

I wouldn't know, I wasn't there and I haven't seen the road. But if everyone is going so much slower than you, it might well be you that is wrong.

xla · 24/10/2025 10:19

Digdongdoo · 24/10/2025 10:16

YABU. You should drive according to the conditions of the road, not what they speed limit sign says. If everyone else is driving slower than you, that might be for good reason. A few mph slower won't make much difference to your journey time, and if it does, set off a few minutes earlier.

It was dry, clear skies and quiet roads. What need is there to drive at 20????

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Flower35214 · 24/10/2025 10:18

My personally favourite is when people drive 40 in a 30 and then continue to drive 40 in a 60. Makes no sense lol

Digdongdoo · 24/10/2025 10:16

YABU. You should drive according to the conditions of the road, not what they speed limit sign says. If everyone else is driving slower than you, that might be for good reason. A few mph slower won't make much difference to your journey time, and if it does, set off a few minutes earlier.

KittyHigham · 24/10/2025 10:15

hididdlyho · 24/10/2025 10:07

My instructor told me I'd fail my driving test for not consistently driving close to 30 in a 30 zone, assuming the conditions are appropriate. Doing 20 in a 30 would be considered unsafe driving, unless there was a good reason for it.

Edited

You are right.
The slow driver in the outer lane was at fault.
OP simply had to continue driving in the inner lane (being alert to the other driver) and no problems or delay were incurred.

SeaAndStars · 24/10/2025 10:14

xla · 24/10/2025 10:03

Personally I don’t like leaving an hour for a half hour drive!

You might find that it enable you to relax a bit and enjoy the journey.

My mum used to have a great saying about driving and rushing about,
"Better five minutes late in this world than 20 years early in the next."

KittyHigham · 24/10/2025 10:11

xla · 24/10/2025 10:03

Personally I don’t like leaving an hour for a half hour drive!

You were driving on a clear road.
You are correct that the driver doing 20 in the outer lane was incorrect but as the inner lane was clear your journey wasn't affected.
Your hyperbole is amusing.
I'm guessing you are bored and keen to get a rise.

xla · 24/10/2025 10:10

MrsBobtonTrent · 24/10/2025 10:04

If so many people are doing something you think is wrong, maybe it's you?

I drive to speed limit or to safety, whchever is lower. The number of people getting agitated around me because they are busy and important is growing every year. Sometimes I have "local knowledge" that there is a temporary (2 years so far!) reduced speed stretch around the next bend and it's always a pleasure to let the racers overtake at mad speed and get hit by the flash of the camera. Sometimes I use natural breaking before I turn off a road so as not to waste fuel. Pootlers can be frustrating to be stuck behind, but better we are all alive, no? Best to drive near the correct speed, but the snails seem safer to be around than the angry racers.

Yes but I have lived here my entire life and know that a clear stretch of road with no cars in front is safe to drive at 20 on? Surely people can agree that

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spoonbillstretford · 24/10/2025 10:08

From what I learned on my speed awareness course (cough - it was ten years ago) 34 mph makes quite a difference to injury/likelihood of survival if you hit someone, v 30mph.

That said, going along at 31/32 is likely to be still under the limit as you are likely actually doing 29mph.

What is more annoying and dangerous than drivers going really slow is drivers going slow because they are faffing about and not paying attention to the road. I can see them turning their heads and chatting to a passenger and not looking, fiddling with a phone or something on the dashboard.

Or they don't pay attention to road signage. I'm wondering how many drivers do not have their eyes tested or change their glasses as often as they should as I think they simply don't see it.

I was behind one guy doing 22mph in the 20mph limit the other day and he clearly did not notice when it had changed to 30mph or the subsequent signs and carried on pootling along.

Often you get the other way round which is worse. They are doing 40mph in a 60mph limit (on a road where it is possible to do close to 60 safely in good conditions) then carry on at 40mph.

hididdlyho · 24/10/2025 10:07

My instructor told me I'd fail my driving test for not consistently driving close to 30 in a 30 zone, assuming the conditions are appropriate. Doing 20 in a 30 would be considered unsafe driving, unless there was a good reason for it.

Bagsintheboot · 24/10/2025 10:06

xla · 24/10/2025 10:02

Yes this is what I recall from the theory

This isn't quite the right interpretation. Your actions should not cause another driver to swerve or brake.

Actions in this context would mean things such as pulling out of a junction, changing lane and so forth. Manoeuvres. Not going slower than the speed limit in a lane in which you are already established.

If your interpretation of the theory was correct, then tractors, lorries, buses and any other vehicle which isn't fast or which may be speed limited would be illegal on the roads.

Chiseltip · 24/10/2025 10:04

31 is around 28mph in reality. Speedometer are designed to over read.

On a motorway, your 70mph is closer to 65.

MrsBobtonTrent · 24/10/2025 10:04

If so many people are doing something you think is wrong, maybe it's you?

I drive to speed limit or to safety, whchever is lower. The number of people getting agitated around me because they are busy and important is growing every year. Sometimes I have "local knowledge" that there is a temporary (2 years so far!) reduced speed stretch around the next bend and it's always a pleasure to let the racers overtake at mad speed and get hit by the flash of the camera. Sometimes I use natural breaking before I turn off a road so as not to waste fuel. Pootlers can be frustrating to be stuck behind, but better we are all alive, no? Best to drive near the correct speed, but the snails seem safer to be around than the angry racers.

xla · 24/10/2025 10:03

Cucy · 24/10/2025 09:59

After doing a speed awareness course last year, I absolutely go the speed limit or less now.

Not only for safety but the entire class was filled with people (including myself) who were constantly in a rush.
One man was almost spitting because he was so angry that people drive slow and I thought I don’t want to be like him.
I am not miserable like that, I love my life and I’m very happy.

Like why are we stressing ourselves out so much.
The world is so fast paced and it’s not healthy to be rushing around to get to places all of the time.

If I am late, then it’s my fault and I should have left earlier.
Me speeding or getting worked up over it isn’t going to help.

Now I turn my music on or listen to an audiobook and enjoy the luxury of having nothing else to do but drive.
Once I get to my destination then I can go back to rushing and trying to juggle 20 things at once.

Personally I don’t like leaving an hour for a half hour drive!

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xla · 24/10/2025 10:02

Rachie1973 · 24/10/2025 10:01

I only took my test this year at the grand old age of 52. Passed first time, was very shocked lol.

my instructor was very insistent that I don’t cause other cars to slow down at the speed limit as it makes me the danger.

also taught me how to undertake, there are questions about that in the theory as well.

Yes this is what I recall from the theory

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Rachie1973 · 24/10/2025 10:01

I only took my test this year at the grand old age of 52. Passed first time, was very shocked lol.

my instructor was very insistent that I don’t cause other cars to slow down at the speed limit as it makes me the danger.

also taught me how to undertake, there are questions about that in the theory as well.

Cucy · 24/10/2025 09:59

After doing a speed awareness course last year, I absolutely go the speed limit or less now.

Not only for safety but the entire class was filled with people (including myself) who were constantly in a rush.
One man was almost spitting because he was so angry that people drive slow and I thought I don’t want to be like him.
I am not miserable like that, I love my life and I’m very happy.

Like why are we stressing ourselves out so much.
The world is so fast paced and it’s not healthy to be rushing around to get to places all of the time.

If I am late, then it’s my fault and I should have left earlier.
Me speeding or getting worked up over it isn’t going to help.

Now I turn my music on or listen to an audiobook and enjoy the luxury of having nothing else to do but drive.
Once I get to my destination then I can go back to rushing and trying to juggle 20 things at once.

TimeForTeaAndG · 24/10/2025 09:59

If the lane is going to be turning right then maybe they are just slowing down rather than having driven at 20-25 the entire time? Or see no need to zoom about the place and slam on brakes. I've driven in Sheffield loads so am familiar with the type of layouts you're talking about, I agree with the PP that if you're slowing down when someone is in a differently marked lane then actually you are the one at fault.

Bagsintheboot · 24/10/2025 09:58

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 24/10/2025 09:54

I really object to the suggestion that drivers going slowly and not posing a risk to others with their driving are driving dangerously because other drivers can't exercise a bit of patience.

Proceeding in your own lane isn't undertaking, by the way, it's fine to go at 30 in the left land and pass someone doing 20 in the right. It's looping about and zigzagging in and out of lanes on people's blind side that's dangerous.

Technically undertaking is any passing on the left.

Undertaking in itself is not an offence, as there are many occasions where it's necessary, e.g. congestion, filter lanes.

Undertaking can constitute dangerous or careless driving. If you are observed passing on the left and the police feel you have done so recklessly, that is when you may get pulled in for it.

You have one extreme of someone weaving and zipping in and out, and yes that is very likely to be charged if caught. But any undertaking not on congestion / filter lanes etc could result in a fine or points if it is felt your standard of driving fell below that required. There have been successful prosecutions of undertakers who have done nothing but stayed in their lane and passed traffic in lane 2 on the left.

singthing · 24/10/2025 09:56

xla · 24/10/2025 09:46

Just someone who’s pissed off at idiot drivers. I never said it was a dual carriageway - just two lanes. I was in the inside passing people in the outside.

From your subsequent descriptions it sounds like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the layout and how to drive it anyway.

Even though the two lanes are adjacent, they are independently marked for separate directions and what someone is doing in the other lane is not relevant to you, so you could have passed at any speed you like, not felt beholden to stay at your hated 20mph.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 24/10/2025 09:54

xla · 24/10/2025 09:31

20 on a clear dry road isn’t safe - it annoys other drivers and forces them into doing dangerous things

I really object to the suggestion that drivers going slowly and not posing a risk to others with their driving are driving dangerously because other drivers can't exercise a bit of patience.

Proceeding in your own lane isn't undertaking, by the way, it's fine to go at 30 in the left land and pass someone doing 20 in the right. It's looping about and zigzagging in and out of lanes on people's blind side that's dangerous.

Hoppinggreen · 24/10/2025 09:47

xla · 24/10/2025 09:37

Of course they are. You can’t sit and drive at 20 all day.

you can if the alternative is to do something dangerous

Bagsintheboot · 24/10/2025 09:46

xla · 24/10/2025 09:43

You do if you are driving at 30 in the inside lane and then catch up with a dickhead in the outside doing 20!

Then you either have very poor eyesight or very poor hazard perception, that you must brake so harshly so quickly to go from 30 to 20 to slow down on a clear road with a visible obstacle.

KittyHigham · 24/10/2025 09:46

xla · 24/10/2025 09:43

You do if you are driving at 30 in the inside lane and then catch up with a dickhead in the outside doing 20!

If you were driving within the speed limit in the inner lane you are permitted to continue past a car doing less than the speed limit in the outer lane.

No "slamming" necessary.

xla · 24/10/2025 09:46

singthing · 24/10/2025 09:45

None of this makes sense.

First it's described as a 30mph dual carriageway.
Then it turns out its two marked lanes going to different destinations.
Then OP isn't even in the same lane as the other driver?
Describes the masses and masses of everyone else doing this as old people who can't see over the wheel.
Then mentions of "doing 20mph on a motorway"?
Talk of "slamming on brakes" to go from 30 to 20 and being "forced" into dangerous driving by someone else going a bit slower than they want to?

Troll or very bad driver with no road sense. I hope for everyone else's sake it's the former.

Just someone who’s pissed off at idiot drivers. I never said it was a dual carriageway - just two lanes. I was in the inside passing people in the outside.

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