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Is it right women do more?

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NurtureGrow · 23/10/2025 22:49

Please go gently.

I’ve been asking my husband to help me with housework since we met almost 5 years ago. He does ‘help’ sometimes, but he never does it fully. Ie the area/room is partly clean, there’s always more for me to do.

For me, doing things for each other is
important. I want him to find things clean and tidy. You can imagine after 5 years, it’s disappointing me, that I never find it as clean and tidy as I left it, and he never fully cleans an area for me. It’s always me.

He says he ‘can’t see it fully.’ ‘It’s not a priority’ he’s ‘doing his best.’

He’s also now saying that as he’s starting a business soon (going full-time in a week) he can’t do the business if he has to clean. I said this isn’t about the business, you’ve always been like this in a salaried role. You leave things for me to do.

It seems I have two choices: be submissive and accept it / or keep trying to make him understand. The latter isn’t working. I haven’t got extremely high standards, I would just like it left clean and tidy for me, as I do for him.

Example, I cleaned the kitchen earlier, it took 25 minutes. I’d just like him to do that for me, like sometimes, or ever. He says he can’t, it would take him 1 hour. He’s a genuinely nice person, but I just don’t think all this is right. We have a 1 year old baby.

Id genuinely like to know, please:
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YABU - women do have to do more, male partners aren’t good at this. You shouldn’t keep asking him and accept it.
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YANBU - he should do it fully sometimes, it’s not for you to always do

Thank you

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malificent7 · 24/10/2025 05:12

He can see dirr. He just cant be arsed to clean.

Augustus40 · 24/10/2025 02:06

This is very typical of the majority of men sadly. We are meant to clean and tidy up behind them. Very patriarchal.

99bottlesofkombucha · 24/10/2025 01:44

He’s a feminist my arse. If he says anything positive about women working outside the home, you say firmly there is nothing feminist about expecting women to work and also do all the keeping house and parenting. Men who are feminists proactively tidy and clean at home so their partner has the same chance as they do in the working world.

Breadandsticks · 24/10/2025 01:23

I don't think this is a man v woman issue - it is the type of person you are. Some people are more scatty and some are obsessively clean. I'm a woman and I'm more on the scatty side. My OH is super neat. So we have split the household stuff based on what we naturally do, but we both do our part when it comes to cleaning.

What does he mean by he cannot see it? As in the mess he is in isn't what he qualifies as messy enough to irritate him or cause him to clean? How is his eye sight? I say this as a glasses wearer who sees way more crumbs when my contacts or glasses are on and I experience 20/20 vision. When I don't have anything on, I don't see crumbs.

CoffeeBeansGalore · 24/10/2025 01:10

Stop doing things that are not a priority or necessary for you. Do laundry for you & baby. Leave his stuff. When he starts moaning he has no clean underwear, shrug your shoulders and say well it's not a priority for me. You can deal with it. When he has to face a physical inconvenience FOR HIM, it might hit home.

NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 01:03

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 24/10/2025 00:57

Then it sounds like you have a choice to make. Accept how it is or give him an ultimatum (and carry through with it if he fails to meet the grade).

genuinely wondering why you would have a baby with someone who has not done this stuff for 3 years. Did you think he would magically change? (They never do.)

I could deal with it more before having a baby, and also resentment compounds, so how it felt in year 1, wasn’t so bad compared to now

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MidnightMeltdown · 24/10/2025 00:57

NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:40

What’s odd is he has books on feminism, is passionate about women working outside the home. But doesn’t pay much attention to home maintenance etc.

I don’t want to make excuses, but I wonder if there is something wrong with his brain. How can a person ‘not see something’ ‘not know how to make it like that’ makes no sense to me at all. His handwriting is really bad. He doesn’t know when something is broken in the house. Even when we stand in front of it and I explain, it still takes a while for him to know what l mean. His parents do no DIY at home at all. It’s falling apart.

He has sisters, and I do think possibly nothing was expected of him at all. It’s annoying, as now I have to sort it out.

He told me when he moved out, he didn’t even know how to make pasta.

He likes nice interiors, fancy places, but doesn’t seem to get that they need maintenance and care. (Our house is not fancy at all though, and it’s small!)

Edited

Ok, so it sounds as though he may have been brought up in a house where cleaning was a woman’s job, and he wasn’t expected to do anything. Mothers who treat their sons like this raise men who make terrible partners. While he may not be consciously aware of it, on some level, he does appear to think that cleaning is woman’s work, and he expects you to behave like his mother.

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 24/10/2025 00:57

NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:52

The problem is, you can pay a cleaner, but not everyday and not to do general tidying/putting away. And that’s what everyone needs to do on a daily basis

Then it sounds like you have a choice to make. Accept how it is or give him an ultimatum (and carry through with it if he fails to meet the grade).

genuinely wondering why you would have a baby with someone who has not done this stuff for 3 years. Did you think he would magically change? (They never do.)

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 24/10/2025 00:55

NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:53

I didn’t think of it like male, female, but just illogical really 🤷‍♀️

Ultimately he can’t see a point in putting himself out for a woman. Neither you nor his niece get any effort made, basically.

NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:53

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 24/10/2025 00:50

He sounds like a sexist pig. Ick

I didn’t think of it like male, female, but just illogical really 🤷‍♀️

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NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:52

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 24/10/2025 00:49

If he really doesn’t know he can pay a cleaner to do his share.

The problem is, you can pay a cleaner, but not everyday and not to do general tidying/putting away. And that’s what everyone needs to do on a daily basis

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AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 24/10/2025 00:50

NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:49

He also recently told me, he buys his nephew a birthday gift every year (as his nephew always asks for something.) He never gets his niece a gift as she never asks. They are around 15 and 14. It just doesn’t make sense. He gives them both a Christmas present.

He sounds like a sexist pig. Ick

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 24/10/2025 00:49

NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:14

Yes, I’m leaving them clean and tidy for us all… I don’t want to live in mess, it’s horrible.

He says he likes it when it’s clean and tidy, but doesn’t know how to make it like that.

If he really doesn’t know he can pay a cleaner to do his share.

NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:49

He also recently told me, he buys his nephew a birthday gift every year (as his nephew always asks for something.) He never gets his niece a gift as she never asks. They are around 15 and 14. It just doesn’t make sense. He gives them both a Christmas present.

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AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 24/10/2025 00:48

Fuck that.

In our house if it doesn’t require genitals to do it, it’s anyone and everyone’s job. DH does considerably more than me on the whole but there are no “girl jobs” or “boy jobs” and my vagina would be clamped shut if he claimed he couldn’t do it.

How the fuck can he have the nous to run a business but not to wipe a kitchen worktop?

NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:47

Sometimes the weight of knowing that if anything is broken, I’ll need to repair/arrange repair, is a lot.

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NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:45

Several of his friends said our wedding was really nice, they said I must have done it, as they knew he wouldn’t have.

He just does illogical things. He used to live with two women (house share) and one told me he would put the dishwasher on with hardly anything in it. (He’s a bit better at that now, fortunately.)

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NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:40

MidnightMeltdown · 24/10/2025 00:26

‘Doesn’t know how to make it like that’ suggests that he thinks that cleaning is a woman’s job (and he has no interest in learning).

I assume that you both work the same number of hours? If not, then I think he’s subtly trying to tell you that this is your responsibility.

What’s odd is he has books on feminism, is passionate about women working outside the home. But doesn’t pay much attention to home maintenance etc.

I don’t want to make excuses, but I wonder if there is something wrong with his brain. How can a person ‘not see something’ ‘not know how to make it like that’ makes no sense to me at all. His handwriting is really bad. He doesn’t know when something is broken in the house. Even when we stand in front of it and I explain, it still takes a while for him to know what l mean. His parents do no DIY at home at all. It’s falling apart.

He has sisters, and I do think possibly nothing was expected of him at all. It’s annoying, as now I have to sort it out.

He told me when he moved out, he didn’t even know how to make pasta.

He likes nice interiors, fancy places, but doesn’t seem to get that they need maintenance and care. (Our house is not fancy at all though, and it’s small!)

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MidnightMeltdown · 24/10/2025 00:26

NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:14

Yes, I’m leaving them clean and tidy for us all… I don’t want to live in mess, it’s horrible.

He says he likes it when it’s clean and tidy, but doesn’t know how to make it like that.

‘Doesn’t know how to make it like that’ suggests that he thinks that cleaning is a woman’s job (and he has no interest in learning).

I assume that you both work the same number of hours? If not, then I think he’s subtly trying to tell you that this is your responsibility.

Babyenroute · 24/10/2025 00:20

‘I’d just like him to do that for me, like sometimes, or ever’
why do that for you? It’s a shared kitchen so he would be doing that for himself too.
he sounds deluded

NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:14

Yes, I’m leaving them clean and tidy for us all… I don’t want to live in mess, it’s horrible.

He says he likes it when it’s clean and tidy, but doesn’t know how to make it like that.

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MidnightMeltdown · 24/10/2025 00:13

I’m not sure whether this is about gender (i.e. your DH thinks that cleaning is a woman’s job), or whether you simply have different standards of cleanliness. It does happen the other way around sometimes, where a man is clean and tidy and gets frustrated when the woman doesn’t live up to his standards.

What would happen if you just stopped doing it? Don’t clean for a couple of weeks and see how happy he is to live in a tip. Or maybe he lived in a tip when you met him (which should have been a red flag!).

Gingefringe · 24/10/2025 00:07

Why are you leaving things clean and tidy ‘for him’? He clearly doesn’t give a dam. Go on strike for a while.

NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:04

99bottlesofkombucha · 23/10/2025 23:58

Don’t. Say firmly you have dumped the home load on me, I need some recharge time, I am not a machine; and I won’t be going to x with your family. Something in my life needs to give, you leave it all on me then expect me to socialise with your family like I’m not overloaded. Not happening.

Yes, what I mean is, I’m pressuring to make the plans with his family.

But he’s too busy to arrange.

But I also see what you are saying… I do also need time to recharge…

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NurtureGrow · 24/10/2025 00:01

99bottlesofkombucha · 23/10/2025 23:55

Very kindly, very gently (while thinking fuck you you lazy selfish fucking toad) say cleaning a kitchen isn’t hard, from now on every Thursday im going to direct you how to do it and I know if you try you can get it down to under 30 minutes. It will be great practice for your business to learn a new skill that you had thought was simply impossible, and also a huge step in your marriage for me feeling cared for, as I’m worried I will feel the opposite of cared for with this business plan where you will expect loads and loads of support and give me none at all back. People who run businesses also parent and look after their house you know,they eat food and wear clothes and don’t have 24/7 servants on hand, nor do you. I am going to be married to a competent adult, and our baby is going to see both parents able to do housework.

THANK YOU @99bottlesofkombucha this sounds like a good idea, I can do this! And agreed… he needs to learn it for the business 😐

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