To think that Sadiq Khan needs investigated?

I'm a British Indian and a Hindu. I absolutely dislike Sadiq Khan as mayor. He's been horrible for the city.

And do you know who the first raping gang whistleblowers were…the Sikhs. But surprise surprise their concerns were dismissed as “Islamophobia”. Sikhs went to the police DECADES ago. Nothing happened. How many lives could have been saved??

I have a Sikh step father. I went to the temple around 2009 and watched a talk where grooming tactics by Muslim men were explained. Ie they would target girls with low self esteem, isolate them, pretend to be Sikh, blackmail etc.

Why do we never hear everyday Muslims condemning this? Very odd!

Well that’s irrelevant as I wasn’t quoting the OP

I’ll hazard a guess that you are not “brown” either

Yes - I think there is a tactic of “widening the parameters of investigation “ to the extent that any investigation is meaningless .
The more focused an investigation the more likely we will learn from it.
Eg the abuse by clergy in the Catholic Church is very different to the grooming gangs/ Savile had a different modus operandi to the grooming gangs .
We need to be honest about who the perpetrators are and who turned a blind eye ( and why) in all those cases .

There have been multiple inquiries into Jimmy Savile - Operation Yewtree (the Met), Dane Janet Smith (the BBC) and 32 inquiries conducted by NHS Trusts. There was also the Leeds City Council review amongst others.

Yes - they should all be investigated if they colluded in/ covered up or turned a bind eye to child sex abuse.
I appreciate the “turning a blind eye” is harder to prove as so many claim they “genuinely “ didn’t know … but people in power must know that they will be answerable if they look the other way

There definitely should be an investigation into who knew about Saville, I completely agree. Those people have all very conveniently been memory holed. Many people must have known what was going on- I'd imagine a lot of BBC staff and police among them.

If Sadiq khan needs investigating then the door needs to be opened for the royal family, BBC, met police and anyone who knew Saville. Not to mention the whole Epstein thing? Why hasn’t anyone gone to prison except Maxwell for that one? Some big names there too, probably in position of power.

it never ends does it

Pointing out the contrast between students at Oxford University (or indeed any University) and victims of the grooming gangs is hardly controversial, particularly for anyone who has read their actual testimonies.

I just think your reaction is part of the reason there has been a decades long refusal to do anything about the mass gang rape of young girls. Your priorities baffle me. And your justification is basically that sure, what happened is bad but it's already been talked about so why bother talking about it anymore. It's time to put it all behind us and move on to fretting about a suggestion that Oxford students might be privileged.

And your point is…?
This is a thread about Khan’s refusal to answer questions about grooming gangs . What’s that got to do with your post? Are you implying that the criticism of Khan on this thread is rooted in racism rather than anger over the abuse of vulnerable girls?

I apologise about my clumsy reference to Oxford University. It was ill considered and genuinely not meant to stigmatise or stereotype anyone. I think we should focus on the topic . I’m sorry that I’ve distracted from that. The priority is making sure vulnerable girls are protected and this NEVER happens again

I have reported so many vile, depraved comments recently on social media which reference Sadiq Khan, and they’ve all been written by posters whose photo shows an England flag or another symbol such as a bottle of beer or a rasher of bacon.

Some of the latest comments I’ve reported have been those which do not beat around the bush in accusing him of being a rapist, or a paedophile, or have been inciting violence and murder against him.

I commented specifically on Ophelia’s post about the comparison between Oxford students and the girls in the grooming scandal because I was unhappy with the comparison they were making and I thought it was untrue and unfair.

Yes, I also saw the post about the 13 year old girl gang raped. It was horrifying. I didn’t have anything to add on that post that hadn’t already been said. I can feel both appalled and disgusted and shocked at the 13 year old girl’s gang rape and unhappy with the misleading comparison that Ophelia was making.

Did you read the extract from the trial of Mohammed Karrar in @overstimulatedhermit 's post? The post right before @OpheliaIsntMad 's post. The extract describing the worst sexual torture I've ever read in my life- I'm in my fifties by the way.

And the thing that exercised you enough to post was @OpheliaIsntMad suggestion that Oxford students might be privileged. Not the post about a 13 year old being anally raped by several men and having a baseball bat inserted into her vagina? I think your perspective is a little bit warped.

Please don’t cal my post ‘shit’. It’s so rude and actually quite hurtful.

And what I post is in fact relevant. Ophelia mentioned lots of stereotypes that are untrue and damaging. She has been really gracious and apologised though.

As I mention in a later post, the girls preyed on in the Oxford grooming scandal deserved much better care and protection by everyone who had a duty of care to them, and it’s neither here nor there that they were abused in the same street where some Oxford students might live or party.

Is any of this shit actually relevant? Ophelia didn't say ALL she said some so your rant is totally irrelevant and smacks of diverting from everything else she said.

Agreed.
It’s the victims we should focus on .

Thank you.

I’m sorry for getting frustrated in my last two posts. I got upset with your post as I felt you’d made quite a few generalisations and I thought they were unfair and incorrect, and I wanted to discuss them.

The Cowley Road is a busy and main road in Oxford. Like any main road in any big city, it’s going to have a lot of people from different backgrounds and with different income levels living there.

To compare the level of privilege of the girls who were preyed on in the Oxford grooming scandal with Oxford University undergraduates is odd and unfair in my view.

The girls deserved much better care and protection by everyone who had a duty of care to them - their families, their schools, their GP, the local authorities and the police.

It’s neither here nor there that they were abused in the same street where some Oxford students might live or party.

Why do you think you have any right to lecture them? 🤔 How presumptuous and arrogant of you.

And yes, you did tar Oxford students with the same brush.

You said, ‘This happened in the Cowley Road area of Oxford- where so many students of Oxford university live / study / party and go on to have successful careers in politics , law etc.’

A lot of Oxford students can’t afford to party often, as it’s a really expensive city and they can’t work during term-time, and they also often don’t have the time to, because they have to study so much. Sure, they might go out a bit, but most people don’t actually go out that much.

Most Oxford students don’t have successful careers in politics and law - it’s only a tiny minority who do. I went to Oxford and I don’t work in either of those careers, and neither do my friends or acquaintances from Oxford, or my brother, who also went.

And just because you go to Oxford, it doesn’t mean you’re automatically privileged. All it generally means is you did well in your A Levels and did better than most other applicants in the interview and - in some cases - the admissions test for your subject. Sure, it helps if you have support from your school and family whilst you’re studying at school and then applying to Oxford. But it doesn’t mean you’re much more privileged than everyone else who’s at other unis.

My reference to Oxford was irrelevant really. It was just the contrast between the lives of these young people ( all of whom deserve to have opportunities to achieve their hopes and aspirations ) Apologies if it seemed inappropriate. I certainly wasn’t trying to stereotype anyone.

I didn’t tar everyone with the same brush -why would you make such a ridiculous assertion.
I know manyOxford students come from disadvantaged backgrounds… they were fortunate to have people to care for them and guide them through difficult times.
(Unlike the victims of the grooming gangs.) It was the juxtaposition of the lives of these young people that struck me as so sad . I’m not stereotyping anyone.
I don’t know why you think I am lecturing you about how you should feel. I’m lecturing posters who mocked and dismissed the concerns of the OP . I really don’t care how you feel.

Please don’t lecture posters on how they should feel. That’s not on. And please don’t stereotype Oxford University undergrads either - a lot of them come from disadvantaged backgrounds. Just stop tarring everyone with the same brush - it’s fucking tiresome.

The transcript of the court case below makes devastating reading. I don’t recommend reading it unless you are in a strong place emotionally. This particular case was about the Oxford grooming gangs. But the term grooming gangs does not sufficiently describe the long term sexual abuse, terror and torture experienced by these very young children.
This happened in the Cowley Road area of Oxford- where so many students of Oxford university live / study / party and go on to have successful careers in politics , law etc. The victims were from disadvantaged backgrounds. The stark contrast between the two is particularly apparent in Oxford.
The victim whose abuse is described here was a 12/13 year old whose parents were disabled. Her home life was very difficult and no one was able to properly care for her. That is why this poor child was prostituted, tortured and terrorised across a number of cities- including London .
The posters on here who mocked the OP and defended Khan should be utterly ashamed.

Exactly this. The turning the other way from some posters on here is enough to make you sick. And In truth I think it’s a class thing. The majority on here won’t care about working class kids from deprived parts of the uk because they are mc and it won’t happen round there way. Some don’t even know the severity of what these poor kids went through so I’ll leave this here from a transcript of a court case and see if that pulls on their frozen snobby heartstrings.