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Andrew shouldn’t lose his titles

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KindCompassion · 21/10/2025 15:44

Removing Prince Andrew’s titles legally will take up a lot of Parliament’s precious time that could be better spent changing the law to ensure that men like Epstein who raped 13-15 year old girls pre 2004 can actually now be prosecuted.
They cannot at the moment. It is the Jimmy Savile loop hole. Most of his victims were this age because he knew after 12 months he had got away with raping them.

The Ministry of Justice and Sarah Sackman MP, the Minister responsible are ignoring this.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/aug/25/thousands-of-women-abused-as-children-may-be-unable-to-get-justice-due-to-legal-anomaly

Am I unreasonable for saying we shouldn’t waste time stripping his titles, and instead insist that child rapists are prosecuted?

Thousands of women abused as children may be unable to get justice due to legal anomaly

Exclusive: ‘Loophole’ in England and Wales from Sexual Offences Act is being challenged in human rights court

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/aug/25/thousands-of-women-abused-as-children-may-be-unable-to-get-justice-due-to-legal-anomaly

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SprayWhiteDung · 21/10/2025 18:35

unsync · 21/10/2025 18:02

At the moment it's trial by media/public opinion. If there is sufficient evidence, he should be prosecuted and take the consequences of that. Just as any other person who commits a criminal act should be. The whole titles, house etc is just clouding the issue. As far as I am concerned, we live in a democracy, due process should therefore be followed. Kangaroo Courts have no place in this country.

But what's the alternative if he's protected from ever actually facing any kind of fair judicial trial?

nowweare · 21/10/2025 18:32

Distasteful and immoral, but not illegal

Quite yes. Everything that can be done has been done. Mostly by him.

HedwigEliza · 21/10/2025 18:31

It’s a waste of time getting worked up about this.

Will removing his titles actually accomplish anything? No. He’ll always be a prince.

And he hasn’t done anything illegal. Distasteful and immoral, but not illegal. So all this hyperbole about wanting to see him in court is laughable.

Melonjuice · 21/10/2025 18:29

I don’t believe anyone can lose their birth right at the end of the day he was born the son of a king so therefore he is a prince
however, he should be in bloody jail, he is disgusting and that email was sickening

nowweare · 21/10/2025 18:28

The fact that there were others who got away with it is irrelevant

It is not irrelevant, it’s very relevant indeed.

It is real not seeing the woods for the trees. While we are spluttering and squawking about him, others are sitting comfortable.

XWKD · 21/10/2025 18:26

The fact that there were others who got away with it is irrelevant. He is an embarrassment, and a stain on the Royal Family. I can't see the monarchy lasting unless the RF is seen to behave decently. Future generations won't "doff the cap to their betters".

unsync · 21/10/2025 18:02

At the moment it's trial by media/public opinion. If there is sufficient evidence, he should be prosecuted and take the consequences of that. Just as any other person who commits a criminal act should be. The whole titles, house etc is just clouding the issue. As far as I am concerned, we live in a democracy, due process should therefore be followed. Kangaroo Courts have no place in this country.

nomas · 21/10/2025 18:02

He has already effectively lost his titles, except Prince.

He seems to have only committed to pay £8.5m for a 75 year lease for a hugely valuable property, which is bloody cheap for what the property is, robbing the public purse of millions.

So he has got off easy.

PrestonHood121 · 21/10/2025 17:44

I am willing to bet Andrew is still making the staff on Royal grounds call him HRH, Duke, the lot. And the Royal Family will allow him to keep it up.

SerendipityJane · 21/10/2025 17:40

Viviennemary · 21/10/2025 17:20

No he ought to be stripped of his titles and evicted from Royal Lodge. Maybe as a warning that it can be done and royals aren't untouchable

If they aren't untouchable, then what makes them Royal ?

nowweare · 21/10/2025 17:26

KindCompassion · 21/10/2025 17:17

I’m actually a victim who will never get justice because of this loophole. Thanks.

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Anyone who read your OP and thought you were posting in support of him is completely, unbearably thick.

NautilusLionfish · 21/10/2025 17:24

nowweare · 21/10/2025 15:48

I think stripping him of his titles is performative. The damage to his reputation is done.

I agree. He will always be the Queen's son anyway.
I agree with op. Also British police need to get that Epshite list from the us and the testimonies and persécuté each and every mtfkr that was part of it and that can be investigated here. If they did it on orgy island am sure they did it elsewhere. And the need to investigate this gonad (Andrew) without fear or favour

Viviennemary · 21/10/2025 17:20

No he ought to be stripped of his titles and evicted from Royal Lodge. Maybe as a warning that it can be done and royals aren't untouchable

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KindCompassion · 21/10/2025 17:17

Brefugee · 21/10/2025 16:15

Go away, Fergie, and give him a hand packing up the mansion.

I’m actually a victim who will never get justice because of this loophole. Thanks.

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Sagaciously · 21/10/2025 17:01

I wasn’t aware this has taken up any parliamentary time to date as he’s volunteering to not use his titles, as opposed to being formally stripped of them.

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KindCompassion · 21/10/2025 16:58

Dolphinnoises · 21/10/2025 16:48

You cannot retrospectively change laws. It has to be a principle of justice that you face the charges you breached at the time, or where are we all?

The laws relating to child protection remain too lax and back then they were pathetic. But hard cases like this do not mean we should start charging people with things which weren’t the law at the time. However much we might want to.

The government has changed many laws after the fact. Look at the protections for murderers in NI. Raping girls was always criminal. It’s a procedural point that the victims had 12 months to report. There’s also the human rights of the victims to have the state prosecute their rapists.

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SprayWhiteDung · 21/10/2025 16:55

To be honest, there are some very notable exceptions; but whilst people like Blair have honorific titles (plus Savile was very well known about by the powers that be when they awarded it to him), they so very clearly aren't actually designed to convey any worthiness of respect, when they're 'establishment' figures - apparently the opposite, in fact.

With actors, singers, sportspeople, everyday celebrities, local heroes and the like, it's a very different matter.

SummerFeverVenice · 21/10/2025 16:50

Parliament has time to do both surely? The PMQs where they hurl vollies of insults at each other and making harrumphing noises would be what I would cut out to get them more time to pass laws.

Dolphinnoises · 21/10/2025 16:48

You cannot retrospectively change laws. It has to be a principle of justice that you face the charges you breached at the time, or where are we all?

The laws relating to child protection remain too lax and back then they were pathetic. But hard cases like this do not mean we should start charging people with things which weren’t the law at the time. However much we might want to.

Theunamedcat · 21/10/2025 16:44

Member278307 · 21/10/2025 15:56

Who are the other men

Presidents former Presidents sainted film stars

ErrolTheDragon · 21/10/2025 16:27

Yanbu, who really GAF about ‘titles’?

nowweare · 21/10/2025 16:22

Brefugee · 21/10/2025 16:15

Go away, Fergie, and give him a hand packing up the mansion.

This is extremely distasteful.

sexlesshusbandwoes · 21/10/2025 16:16

The orange one def has his fingers in this dirty pie that’s for sure

Brefugee · 21/10/2025 16:15

Go away, Fergie, and give him a hand packing up the mansion.

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