To Think that Grad & Apprenticeships are now only for Diversity Candidates

people moaning that they're being unfair to white males (when likely their workforce is already primarily made up of them and headed by them)

The workforce in the UK should be majority white. We are a majority white country; 80% of the population is white. Less than that would indicate discrimination against the white population. We are not America - until only 50 years ago there were hardly any ethnic minority people here. The indigenous population is white. A third of the BAME population arrived over just the last 15 years, a significant portion without skills. It is crazy to suggest that there is no preference because the workplace is still majority white.

Possibly, but I'd think that unusual these days. More so in an organisation with such diverse roles - I wonder how many CEOs have risen from the shop floor?

I can't help but feel that we see race issues through American eyes here. I'd suggest that the effect of class in the UK is a closer parallel to the American race issue.

This shows very clearly why these programs are so problematic.

The real things that make you more likely to be successful are being well off, having parents with connections, having gone to the right kinds of schools.

Often the kids that get in on these schemes are very well off, connected, well educated kids who are anything but white. They may be far more privileged than the average white male. Guess what - these kids don't need special help.

While at the same time you will find segments of the white population who struggle, they are poor, maybe in care, went to crappy schools, have no connections. Making it harder for white kids makes it ever worse for these kids, and then people sneer at them for complaining.

I agree with you OP. I have a ds currently also searching for summer internships in finance and he has also found loads of internships not open for him to even apply for due them only being opened for diversity. Only today, he sent me an example of a “summer diversity internship”. I am a bit in the fence as I am pro diversity, but I also think its given opportunities to people who might never have walked through the door otherwise and there is a sense of people thinking it’s a “diversity hire”. I
am a hiring manager myself for a big international bank and participate in recruitment for grad internship. I have no doubt that we invite people through the door who would haven’t been through our doors if not from a diverse background. It also doesn’t often work out well as they often underperform when in the job and are always referred to as diversity hire. I should probably put on a hard hat for saying this, but this is my experience.

Thousands IN ONE PLC.

all of those jobs you mention mean the parent has the ability to decode that world for their children. I know nothing about being a dentist, but a dentist can help their child be one.

However without social mobility the children whose parents have low skilled low paid roles won’t be able to access any support in getting into a graduate scheme or apprenticeship into a corporate or professional environment.

anyway I think you’re basically MAGA trolling so you won’t try and understand this point.

Yes I've seen quite a few like that. I don't think it's acceptable.

There should be outreach to schools in "cold spots" to inform them about opportunities, and tell them what they need to think about if they are interested in a certain career but I don't agree with excluding people from applying at all.

However, I think where everyone is allowed to apply, everyone has an equal chance. Especially where CVs are "blind" and you don't know someone's name, ethnicity or where they went to school or university.

It's very much the case in Canada, that's for sure.

Some of them are bizarre. There was a summer position in the city nearby for student litter pickers - only open to black students.

I was like, did you really think of the optics of that before you set it up?

Probably because we imported DEI and CRT first.

@OhDear111 perhaps, but it’s a reasonable correlation which is how I read the pp. In fields like the one the op refers to and things like consulting promotion is part of the path (though I appreciate the previous comment was in relation to the NHS).

The problem is that if there is any racial bias anywhere in the hiring process we have no idea if you son was a diversity hire or not, but he might have been and there will always be people looking at him and assuming he was one.

I used to support positive action more than I do now - then I listened to a black woman talking about how hard it is when everyone assumes you got the job because you're black and a woman, not because of talent, and I changed my mind.

MITE - Merit Intelligence Talent Excellence - not DIE

Poor poor young white male, my heart bleeds for him

Thousands? Out of how many millions? Most people don’t inhabit your world. Their parents are teachers, conveyancing lawyers, doctors, small business people, academics, estate agents, dentists, public sector managers, policemen, hoteliers, financial advisers, nurses, civil engineers, etc. etc. all middle class and none with the contacts you have especially if they don’t live in a big city. Yet all their sons have to be deprioritised because your child has contacts?

@AgualusasL0ver Except we know that rarely happens. Getting a job is not the same as being promoted in the workplace.

I considered ignorant or ill-informed but decided that stupid was more piquant.
As I said at length in a previous post, if it weren't for these schemes I would never have got a job. There are far fewer opportunities and options open to me than my able-bodied peers, most of the children of the posters complaining about their privileged kids being adversely affected by 'special treatment' will never encounter a fraction of the barriers to employment I did, and, as I said, I am one of the fortunate ones.
Only a really disability-positive workplace, operating schemes aimed at disabled people would have taken a chance on employing me since it would have been far easier for them to employ a similarly qualified non-disabled candidate to do my job.
This is the reality for people bleating about how unfair these schemes are, and if these people who can't see that people like me, with the level of adjustments I require, needemployers who go out of their way to recruit disabled people in order to have any chance of getting a job then I think they are stupid and I have no problem calling them that.

Why would you imagine big corporations are going to listen to your 'concerns' about who they hire? If they want a more diverse workforce then provided they go about recruitment legally, people moaning that they're being unfair to white males (when likely their workforce is already primarily made up of them and headed by them) isn't going to be of the slightest importance.

That isn’t how I read that post.

If you have a junior cohort of staff from a specific background and it dominates, then the expectation is those people would climb the ladder and then be represented at the top as well as in more junior ranks.

Why should it? Why would a black CEO have anything in common with a black cleaner? Would they eat grits together on a wooden porch in Peckham? A bit racist?

Would that represent the racial makeup of the uk?

How would that look taken to its conclusion?

Ha ha! I tend to agree with you, but calling people stupid rarely leads them to change their point of view.

Probably because diversity schemes are being overused and nobody is listening to people’s concerns.

"It’s making large numbers of stupid people believe that black/brown/gay/female people only achieved their success because of diversity hiring."
There, you missed out a word, I fixed it for you. You're welcome!

"Diversity hiring considers people from various groups based on protected characteristics like race, gender, age, religion, and disability, as well as other factors such as sexual orientation, socioeconomic background, and life experience."

These large numbers of people need to expand their thinking, instead of digesting nonsense. The very nonsense that is highlighting their prejudice.

Would've been fairer

Why the fuck are we importing this anti-DEI MAGA agenda from the US?

Most social mobility schememes seem to apply for people from families in benefits. Difference from working class and benefits you know

It’s making large numbers of people believe that black/brown/gay/female people only achieved their success because of diversity hiring. It’s fuelling people’s prejudices.