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To think this is predatory behaviour?

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hotelheartbreak · 21/10/2025 05:59

I run a team in a very male dominated environment, one of my youngest female team members was being chatted up at a bar at the weekend by an older man (20 + her senior). Conversation turned to work and discovered he is the GM for one of our active clients, in his intoxicated state he suggested he would like to offer her a job, but only so he wouldn’t be able to keep his hands off her and would be ‘F**king her’ in the office. She felt embarrassed and didn’t know what to say as she didn’t want to do anything that implicated her in a situation she was uncomfortable with. She was polite, declined his job offer and left for another bar. She told me this on Monday morning, she was clearly rattled and worried this might look bad on her as she accepted a drink from him in an expensive bar.
He has since emailed and messaged her on LinkedIn in the space of a few hours, asking her for coffee / lunch this week.
AIBU to think this guy is a total creep, is being predatory and should be reported to his own HR department? I don’t really care if we lose work, just think that’s appalling. I’ve told her to block him, while I calm down and work out what to do!

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Comtesse · 21/10/2025 12:38

I might want to have a chat with someone in HR about this and then email afterwards to confirm what they said.

If it was just a random sleazy guy that would obviously not be necessary but he’s senior in a client organisation and he’s taking it further - which makes it more significant and also more delicate.

Anyway I’d say “consult” HR rather than “report” to HR - you would be seeking views on how best to handle this as her manager. Nothing wrong with that, I seek input from HR on staffing issues regularly.

JadziaD · 21/10/2025 12:00

He's awful. I tend to think if he'd said these things to her and then, when she declined and left, he'd left it alone, your duty of care to her would simply be to ensure she was not working on his business and definitely not engaging with him professionally in any way.

the cat that he's now contacting her on LinedIn and inviting her out inappropriately means that you do have to do something.

I had a similar situation with a young female employee a few years ago. My boss and I were both very happy to take it further and agreed that either he would go to the man's boss or I would go directly to the man (who was at my sort of level). The team member said she did not want us to do that in the first instance, but we all agreed that she would never be expected to deal with him in any way again. That worked for her as he did NOT try to contact her again at any point. My manager and I had also told her that we would respet her preference here but only as long as he did not attempt anything further, which she agreed with.

I would be inclined to do similar here. If you can, remove her from any need to engage with his business, or if not, figure out if you need guardrails. But, as he IS contacting her, you need to go to him or to his manager and say that the beavuour is inappropriate and unprofessional and it must stop. YOu will have a better idea than I do on where and how to do this.

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Megifer · 21/10/2025 11:39

ArmySurplusHamster · 21/10/2025 11:30

Except it’s not ‘because of her work’, but because of a coincidental meeting in a bar, out of work time and not at a work-related event, during which the woman permitted the man to buy her a drink.
If the man uses his position as a client of the firm she works for to pressurise or harass the woman, it is an HR matter, but surely not otherwise. The OP’s employee sounds pretty naive.

The man is a client of the company the employee works for, and he knew this when he offered her a job so he could fuck her.

Whether the employee accepted a drink is completely irrelevant.

Therefore, this is 100% 3rd party sexual harassment and op has a duty to report it to her employer.

ArmySurplusHamster · 21/10/2025 11:30

Except it’s not ‘because of her work’, but because of a coincidental meeting in a bar, out of work time and not at a work-related event, during which the woman permitted the man to buy her a drink.
If the man uses his position as a client of the firm she works for to pressurise or harass the woman, it is an HR matter, but surely not otherwise. The OP’s employee sounds pretty naive.

BauhausOfEliott · 21/10/2025 11:22

It's obvious and blatant sexual harassment and you should absolutely report it to your own HR department if you have one.

Employers have a duty of care towards employees and if they are being exposed to harassment or abuse by a third party as a result of their work, the employer needs to protect from that. The days of 'Well, Debbie just needs to put up with sexual harassment (or racist comments or homophobia or whatever else) because he's a client and we can't rock the boat' are long gone, thankfully.

Megifer · 21/10/2025 11:08

Op you have a duty to report this to your own employer as 3rd party sexual harassment of someone you manage.

Any other advice is, with respect, irrelevant although im sure its all helpful to you personally in some way.

Make sure you report it in a way thats documented to cover your arse.

TempestTost · 21/10/2025 10:58

I think that at the moment what you can do is limited.

He's not in your company so there is no disciplinary process to access, and I think going so far as to contact his higher ups is not (yet) indicated.

Once they realised their work connection he was inappropriate to say what he did. If he had left it there you could chalk it up to stupid drunkenness, but the fact that he's followed it up the next day (when he should be at home feeling mortified) turns it into real creep territory.

However, I think the real first step is for her to respond and say something like, "Sorry, I don't date people who I have a professional connection to," and see if he then leaves it alone. If so I'd leave it there, although you should make sure you have an email or something where she has told you what happened and keep it on file.

If he pushes her, I'd send it upward in your own organisation for someone to deal with, closer to his own level. I don't think it really matters how they do this as long at it is effective, but again, make sure you have written receipts.

Megifer · 21/10/2025 10:48

This is 3rd party sexual harassment which needs to be reported to your own HR department. If they know what they are doing they will then take it up with the man's employer.

Dippythedino · 21/10/2025 10:41

Everyone knew about Jeffrey Epstein and still looked the other way and I can't believe that some mnetters are still advocating looking the other way. Shame on you.

FrauPaige · 21/10/2025 10:40

@vitalityvix I clarified the context as to many it had seemed a workplace event.

I agree with you and stated that the follow up communications are an issue and should be reported if they persist.

This man behaved terribly.

From a legal standpoint, if he repeated the transactional job offer verbally or in writing then it would likely meet the threshold for quid pro quo harassment.

In my view, the initial follow up lunch invitation would be unlikely to meet the legal threshold of harassment. However, further invitations may meet the threshold. The case is strengthened if she rejects him but this is not essential for a strong claim.

Agreed that the employer has duty of care to protect the employee in question from the toxicity and potentially initimidatory behaviour of this man bleeding over from the social setting into the professional setting.

LeanToWhatToDo · 21/10/2025 10:01

ELO10538 · 21/10/2025 09:55

Then the OP had better start looking for a new job at the same time.
"I don't care if we do lose work" is a career wrecker.

Conversely if he is found to be the next big sexual predator and she knew this and didn't warn their HR she might have some consequences too.

He is the one with the bad behaviour here and it would be highly unlikely his HR hadn't heard of him doing this, or similar, before. Often they want a reason to get rid of these dinosaurs who are on inflated salaries with few up to date skills, who make people in the office feel uncomfortable.

ELO10538 · 21/10/2025 09:55

WiseAdviceNeededPlease · 21/10/2025 06:41

YANBU he will keep doing this. I would 100% report him to his company's HR team.

Then the OP had better start looking for a new job at the same time.
"I don't care if we do lose work" is a career wrecker.

LeanToWhatToDo · 21/10/2025 09:16

It's very like social services, if everyone ignores all the little signs that kids are being mistreated at home it escalates. He is showing who he is with these comments and he clearly has no shame in expressing how he goes about his job, his priorities and power to strangers in a bar. This isn't something to brush off as it is likely this is something he has done before to be so confident.

Unorganisedchaos2 · 21/10/2025 09:05

If he hasn't contacted her after the event Id say leave it but its worrying he's trying to meet with her.

In my workplace we had an exec like this who had a notorious reputation for behavior like this and worse, he was on a final written warning that of there was even so much of allegation he was out. Im sure HR would have wanted to know if he was behaving like this. Its unlikely its the first time he's done something like this they could be building a case?

vitalityvix · 21/10/2025 09:03

@FrauPaige why are you putting so much emphasis on it not being a work event? I hope you know that you can be disciplined by your employer for things you do outside of work.

Approaching someone in a bar and buying them a drink is not the issue. As soon as he realised that he had a professional relationship with this woman, the context changed significantly. Him telling her that he wanted to offer her a job so that he could fuck her in the office is unprofessional and misogynistic. Him continuing to contact her via LinkedIn is inappropriate.

Her employer has a duty of care to protect her from harassment at work, this includes harassment from clients.

Chiseltip · 21/10/2025 08:59

Dippythedino · 21/10/2025 07:57

He offered her a job in his office so that she could be in close proximity to him. He knew exactly what he was doing so this isn't an isolated incident, he's targeting her.

A friend of mine who keeps horses has hired her farrier on pretty much the same basis . .

🤔

Chiseltip · 21/10/2025 08:56

hotelheartbreak · 21/10/2025 05:59

I run a team in a very male dominated environment, one of my youngest female team members was being chatted up at a bar at the weekend by an older man (20 + her senior). Conversation turned to work and discovered he is the GM for one of our active clients, in his intoxicated state he suggested he would like to offer her a job, but only so he wouldn’t be able to keep his hands off her and would be ‘F**king her’ in the office. She felt embarrassed and didn’t know what to say as she didn’t want to do anything that implicated her in a situation she was uncomfortable with. She was polite, declined his job offer and left for another bar. She told me this on Monday morning, she was clearly rattled and worried this might look bad on her as she accepted a drink from him in an expensive bar.
He has since emailed and messaged her on LinkedIn in the space of a few hours, asking her for coffee / lunch this week.
AIBU to think this guy is a total creep, is being predatory and should be reported to his own HR department? I don’t really care if we lose work, just think that’s appalling. I’ve told her to block him, while I calm down and work out what to do!

I wouldn't get involved. I'm sure an adult woman can fend for herself, an employee doesn't need her manager getting involved in shit like this.

Also, do you know the amount of influence this GM has?

It could be just a "boy's club" where he'll get high fived and you'll get a target on your back.

Is it worth ruining your career prospects (and hers) just to play social cop?

Stay out of it.

JHound · 21/10/2025 08:56

FrauPaige · 21/10/2025 07:35

It is vulgar and unprofessional to do this in a work related context, but this wasn't a work event, was it?

You have stated that this took place at a bar in her private life, and that their professional identifies were not known to each other initially, so she was engaging with this older man by choice.

This young woman, while in a bar, was approached by a man 20+ years her senior, reacted positively when he chatted her up, and accepted when he offered to buy her a drink, thus extending the interaction presumably because she was attracted to him or liked the attention. Perhaps she may consider a different choice in future if an age/wealth/experience/seniority gap is something that rattles her.

She needs to tell him 'thanks but no thanks'/'I have a boyfriend' and let his interest wane.

If he persists with his attempts to contact this employee using her corporate email post her rejection notice, you should notify him or his HR team, depending on your comfort level.

Accepting somebody’s offer to buy you a drink means nothing more than accepting somebody’s offer to buy you a drink.

JHound · 21/10/2025 08:54

I am not sure what his HR would do about it?

He is being a bit gross - but I think she is going to have to use her words. Say she is not interested and block him.

rwalker · 21/10/2025 08:39

She needs to message back saying no thank you and you’ve made me feel extremely uncomfortable by saying you’d offer me a job but you wouldn’t be able to keep your hands off me fucking me in the office
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Middlechild3 · 21/10/2025 08:31

hotelheartbreak · 21/10/2025 05:59

I run a team in a very male dominated environment, one of my youngest female team members was being chatted up at a bar at the weekend by an older man (20 + her senior). Conversation turned to work and discovered he is the GM for one of our active clients, in his intoxicated state he suggested he would like to offer her a job, but only so he wouldn’t be able to keep his hands off her and would be ‘F**king her’ in the office. She felt embarrassed and didn’t know what to say as she didn’t want to do anything that implicated her in a situation she was uncomfortable with. She was polite, declined his job offer and left for another bar. She told me this on Monday morning, she was clearly rattled and worried this might look bad on her as she accepted a drink from him in an expensive bar.
He has since emailed and messaged her on LinkedIn in the space of a few hours, asking her for coffee / lunch this week.
AIBU to think this guy is a total creep, is being predatory and should be reported to his own HR department? I don’t really care if we lose work, just think that’s appalling. I’ve told her to block him, while I calm down and work out what to do!

He doesn't work for the same company as you? then not sure there's anything you can do really. Your young female colleague needs to shut this down firmly. She's reported it to you. Sadly her politeness has been read as compliance by this creep.

OCDmama · 21/10/2025 08:28

FrauPaige · 21/10/2025 07:35

It is vulgar and unprofessional to do this in a work related context, but this wasn't a work event, was it?

You have stated that this took place at a bar in her private life, and that their professional identifies were not known to each other initially, so she was engaging with this older man by choice.

This young woman, while in a bar, was approached by a man 20+ years her senior, reacted positively when he chatted her up, and accepted when he offered to buy her a drink, thus extending the interaction presumably because she was attracted to him or liked the attention. Perhaps she may consider a different choice in future if an age/wealth/experience/seniority gap is something that rattles her.

She needs to tell him 'thanks but no thanks'/'I have a boyfriend' and let his interest wane.

If he persists with his attempts to contact this employee using her corporate email post her rejection notice, you should notify him or his HR team, depending on your comfort level.

There's a shit tonne wrong with your post, and I'm guessing you're either a man (cough, incel) or you've internalised a hell of a lot of misogyny.

When they started to talk about work and understood their connections that's when it began to cross into a professional sphere - and definitely when he contacted her via LinkedIn. The second that happened is when it became a HR issue - you identify who you work with, you're representing them. OP should absolutely contact his firm - least of all in case he's managing women.

curious79 · 21/10/2025 08:16

The conversation in the bar was gross but off work time. She left ASAP

its the messaging her on LinkedIn that’s vile and unprofessional. She just needs to respond saying I found you creepy on Saturday and now I find you deeply unprofessional and creepy. Please don’t contact me

Diarygirlqueen · 21/10/2025 08:14

She was engaging with him and had accepted a drink, it was only when she realised the connection that she got uncomfortable.
No doubt, he is a sleazy git, but you did the right thing telling her to block him, but I wouldn't be referring it to HR unless he makes further contact.

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