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To want Prince Andrew to lose his title and go to prison?

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Fandango52 · 21/10/2025 00:28

I read an extract at the weekend of Virginia Giuffre’s book and it really shocked me. I was aware - like lots of people - of her case against Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew, and also watched Emily Maitlis’s interview with Prince Andrew when it came out a few years ago.

We know that Epstein and Maxwell went to prison and I think Andrew should also go to prison. He raped Virginia Giuffre and lied about this, repeatedly denying he had actually met her. This would definitely lead to criminal charges for non-royals (even if the case was later dropped, as it often is with rape - which is another story).

I know it’s likely Andrew won’t go to prison - mainly because he is a prince - and I find that so grim. I know he’s lost some of his titles, like his dukedom, but I don’t think that is enough.

I have no connection to the case at all and no reason to be particularly invested in it, apart from the fact it’s shocking and quite unique, and because I think it’s hugely unjust that Andrew probably won’t be brought to justice because he was born royal.

AIBU to think Andrew should at least be tried in court - and if found guilty, should lose his titles and go to prison?

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thepariscrimefiles · 21/10/2025 15:19

HoskinsChoice · 21/10/2025 08:47

There is literally nothing in what you've just said there that proves he's guilty. Just taking one of your points - the photo. Have you had sex with every person you've ever had a photo with? Do you think that every photo someone has with a 'celebrity' means they've had sex? It's literally just a photo of 2 people smiling. Why would he allow that photo to be taken if there was anything sinister going on?

I'm not saying he hasn't done it, but there is no evidence that he has. (Nor is there any concrete evidence that he hasn't!).

We now know that he lied to Emily Maitliss during that interview. He told her that the very last time he had any contact with Epstein was when he visited him in New York in December 2010 to tell him in person that their friendship was over (when he said that, if anything, he was too honourable).

An email has just been released that he sent to Epstein on 28 February 2011 where he says:

'Don’t worry about me! It would seem we are in this together and will have to rise above it. Otherwise keep in close touch and we’ll play some more soon!!!!'

So he's a proven liar. I believe he is guilty but unfortunately he won't be tried in a courtroom. He paid £12 million to ensure that this wouldn't happen.

Needacupofteaandcrackers · 21/10/2025 14:51

I blame the parents on how he turned out

send him to Australia !!!!

Ukisgaslit · 21/10/2025 13:12

Yes I’m aware of this Act . The Windsors’ ‘real’ name is Saxe - Coburg and Gotha and many their family was fighting for the Germans in WW1 , as they would do as the whole line is German

I saw an MP yesterday estimate it would take a couple of hours for something similar to be passed now.
The letters patent etc more protocol bullshit made up to aid the Windsors as and when needed

If we decided to get rid, as seems increasingly likely sooner rather than later , it would be done without issue.
Just as fir example Germany and Italy did post war

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 21/10/2025 12:58

Ukisgaslit · 21/10/2025 10:57

@WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing

Why one earth should parliament be guided by the corrupt Windsors ??

Arent we always told the Windsors have no power and they are just figureheads?

The last people we should be guided by are the Windsors - they lie and cover up and cannot be .

Voters would be grateful to any party or individual MP ( some have tried ) that takes action on this and other Windsor abuses

Because of the 1917 Titles Deprivation Act which (in and of itself only provided for removals within the context of WW1 and those acting as enemies of the state):

“provided for a committee tasked with considering whether a peerage or a title should be removed from a person, and subject to parliament’s approval, made a recommendation to the king when action should be taken.”

UK law provides for titles to be in the gift of the monarch and so, by definition Parliament has to include them in the process.

I believe Stephen Flynn MP has tabled an amendment to this to be debated, whether or not they vote it through is another matter. It remains, as galling as it is, the fact that he has not been convicted of anything.

Ukisgaslit · 21/10/2025 12:52

Lots of people knew about Saville . And Charles was warned about him

Sound familar ?

Theres a whole list of pedophiles and sex offenders that the Windsors protected even championed so forgive me for not believing a word that say.

They are a very dark family .
Time to shine some light on them properly

Roselily123 · 21/10/2025 12:45

Ukisgaslit · 21/10/2025 12:31

Yes others must be culpable too of course they are .

But I can also point out that when you ask to stop the focus on Andrew with this argument you are letting Andrew and the Windsors dodge questions about what they knew and when.

Other rich men are also not supported in a life of privilege by hard pressed taxpayers in an uneasy arrangement where we have this family as head of the state religion and clearly above the law !

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It’s not about the money. !!
It’s about finding the real abusers - rich , poor , or somewhere in between and stopping the abuse.
The ones that are carrying on today - probably in plain sight.
How many people knew about Jimmy Saville. He certainly wasn’t a one man band.

Crikeyalmighty · 21/10/2025 12:35

@Franpie I agree- I’m not a monarchist and can’t stand Andrew and his behaviour was disgusting but he’s definitely being used as the ‘’keep eyes away from others’ here I feel

Bikergran · 21/10/2025 12:34

It's the ghostwritten word of a dead woman against his. Unless they find concrete evidence, no chance.

Ukisgaslit · 21/10/2025 12:31

Yes others must be culpable too of course they are .

But I can also point out that when you ask to stop the focus on Andrew with this argument you are letting Andrew and the Windsors dodge questions about what they knew and when.

Other rich men are also not supported in a life of privilege by hard pressed taxpayers in an uneasy arrangement where we have this family as head of the state religion and clearly above the law !

Franpie · 21/10/2025 12:28

Crikeyalmighty · 21/10/2025 12:20

Trump and his ilk must be thanking the gods that all attention on Prince Andrew

If I was betting woman, I’d put my money on “the gods” having nothing to do with it. It is extremely fishy that the only emails being leaked from the FBI dossier are related to Prince Andrew and not all the other high profile Americans (including Trump).

Crikeyalmighty · 21/10/2025 12:20

Trump and his ilk must be thanking the gods that all attention on Prince Andrew

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JoeSikoraTommysStory · 21/10/2025 12:05

100% This ☝🏼

Also agree.
And while everyone is looking at this (idiot) person , as somebody said , it’s taking away from real abusers , traffickers, etc
Lets put focus on what’s happening now , that we can actually change and stop suffering

anotheroneofthose01 · 21/10/2025 12:09

GrimDamnFanjo · 21/10/2025 01:06

id Prefer his removal from public life, his titles and his house. Let him live in the suburbs on his naval pension.

That would never happen. He would always receive help from his family no matter what. Prison seems like a much better alternative.

JoeSikoraTommysStory · 21/10/2025 12:05

Meadowfinch · 21/10/2025 01:31

What happened to the process of law? To innocent until proven guilty? Have the standards of 'beyond all reasonable doubt" been met?

I don't think they have. It is his word against hers.

Did she write that book, to maximise her financial legacy for her family? Did she exaggerate through anger and trauma? Did she tell the absolute truth? As she saw it, or as it was? Was her book a final act of revenge? I don't know and neither do you.

Just because you don't like someone, because he is an arrogant entitled fool and you are jealous of the advantages he has had in life, does not make him a criminal. Proof is needed to deprive someone of their freedom.

I prefer to live in a country where being sent to prison depends on a high standard of proof, and it applies to everyone equally. Trial by broadsheet is nothing to aspire to.

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100% This ☝🏼

Falseknock · 21/10/2025 12:02

winter8090 · 21/10/2025 10:32

I’m not attempting to muddy the waters. The waters ARE muddy hence why there has been no conviction.

The RF means that much to you.

ShenandoahRiver · 21/10/2025 12:00

I would like to know who Ed Perkins told about the emails he received from Andrew telling him that he asked his tax payer funded Met police protection officer to dig for dirt on VG having supplied the officer with her social security number.
Did Mr Perkins inform his boss - the Queen’s Press Secretary? Did he in turn inform the Queen and Prince Philip?

Ukisgaslit · 21/10/2025 11:53

The tax payer has everything to do with it !
Every penny the Windsors have is taken from us .
They don’t own any of it - not even the Duchies despite treating them t like their own tax free bank .

They paid Virgina because it was that or Andrew appear in a court .

Royals avoid proper scrutiny at all costs .

Franpie · 21/10/2025 11:40

Ukisgaslit · 21/10/2025 11:34

@Franpie

Well that’s a new angle - an utterly unbelievable one in my opinion .

Elizabeth paid off Andrew’s accuser to save the tax payer money . As if lol !

Nothing to do with saving the tax payer money. Saving their own money. The tax payer had nothing to do with the civil case in the US.

Ihateboris · 21/10/2025 11:39

Ukisgaslit · 21/10/2025 11:34

@Franpie

Well that’s a new angle - an utterly unbelievable one in my opinion .

Elizabeth paid off Andrew’s accuser to save the tax payer money . As if lol !

Saving the tax payer money?? How very altruistic.🤣🤣🤣🤣

Ukisgaslit · 21/10/2025 11:38

Yes it can . She was trafficked

CoastalCalm · 21/10/2025 11:36

What he did was vile and inappropriate but I don’t think it could be classed as rape could it ?

Ukisgaslit · 21/10/2025 11:34

@Franpie

Well that’s a new angle - an utterly unbelievable one in my opinion .

Elizabeth paid off Andrew’s accuser to save the tax payer money . As if lol !

Ihateboris · 21/10/2025 11:31

Fandango52 · 21/10/2025 02:01

It infuriates me - genuinely - that VG has faced so much suffering and pain and Andrew has just had pleasure and privilege in comparison. That is disgusting. And I think it’s fair to say Andrew did cause some of VG’s pain - otherwise why would he have paid her £12m?

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Twas ever thus...rich, powerful man abuses vulnerable young women/girls. Makes my blood boil.