To think people are naive re cocaine

In all seriousness if all drugs were legalised would the violence that goes into the production process to down?

I haven't said weekly. You may feel it's meaningless, I think more people should stand up to illegal drug use quite frankly and the consequences should be greater.

I'm glad companies are testing. Can you say what industry?

There was plenty around in certain circles in the early 80s (inevitably known as Charlie then)

It's where I formed my opinion of its effects, having seen enough people behave like wankers on it and at least a few screw their lives up. Yes, alcohol can also be an incredibly destructive drug but the production of gin, wine and beer (for eg) is not dependent on major criminality, the abuse of children and everything else associated with the coke supply chain.

This makes no sense though. You’re suggesting all employers should have mandatory drug tests for everyone- weekly- so they can catch illegal activity* because it’s “everyone's business” (what a meaningless sound bite)

it’s clearly a ridiculous idea, breeches the clear line between work and private life, and allows a corporation to dictate your spare time. I don’t believe anyone really wants to live in that world.

*not sure it’s actually illegal to test positive for drugs, but still

I know of people in the following jobs that use cocaine:

University lecturer, NHS nurse, prison officer, surveyor, lorry driver. So many people. Most are parents.

I’ll be honest, I haven’t used it in a few years and hopefully never will again. But I don’t drink anymore. Most people use when having alcohol.

And yes I agree most people are naive to it. Even if you think “no one in my circle uses it” you’ll be very, very wrong.

Ireland is a gem for drug dealers bringing tons of cocaine in, there is very little security along the coast, there has been millions intercepted, a lot passes, weapons too.
Naval security is extremely poor.
They are setting up a new European naval security team to monitor the water.

Because they can and do remove people from employment for illegal activity.

I don't think it's especially naïve to think that something that something people generally aren't open about (at work or in one's social circles) is less common than it actually is. Nor do I particularly see the benefit of being knowledgeable about exactly how common it is tbh. The people on MN calling others naïve about drugs usually seem to be the ones minimising their effects or in denial about their own or their partner's habits. Of course it's common. Is it even more common than I think? Probably. I won't be losing any sleep over that.

You can be against anything you want, but why do you think employers get any say in what people do in their spare time?

I mentioned riding motorbikes. I consider that very risky and potentially irresponsible, but what would that have to do with anybody's employer?

Clearly we disagree. Illegal activity is everyone's business.

But they don’t need to justify it to their employer 😭😂 their employer is no body!

you could argue that they should worry what their partner, or parents, oR the police will think of their drug taking, but their employer? Who gives a fuck? I don’t take coke and even I couldn’t give a shit what my employer thinks about it!

I know… did you mean to quote my post?

Not my point. I'm just against illegal drug use and don't believe those in any job should be using it. It shows they can't be trusted. I don't believe there is ever any justification for it.

I used to work for social services. 7/10 of the Social Workers were on something or other, often cocaine. I know 3 people who work for SS now I am in a different area, all of them take drugs and one of them is the biggest coke head I know. I try and avoid them.

But what does that mean for an employer?
as above, what do you think they’ll do when the COO tests positive, or the group counsel?

the reality is employers don’t care. They know what employees do in their own time is their business and they don’t place value judgements on “responsibility”
outside the workplace.

And tiredness testing? Or did you miss ready's point?

Yes, illegal drug use makes you irresponsible.

All sorts of things can be said to be irresponsible. Riding a motorbike, for example, but what people do in their spare time has nothing to do with their employer unless it affects their work.

Absolutely true, I was once out at a concert with a friend who is a Doctor, we bumped into a guy he knew who was an anaesthesiologist who proceeded to take a couple of ecstasy tablets after offering us some, we refused, but this "Doctor" then also proceeded to tell us he was working the next day.

Unfortunately drug testing should be the norm.

So anyone employed is in a position of trust?

even if they are in an actual position of trust how do illegal drugs impact that?

would you say the same about someone who uses alcohol? Or prescription drugs? Who is less responsible, a weekend cocaine user or an employee prescribed anti psychotics?

Nope, don't work for the police. But that wouldn't be surprising 😅🤣

No, if they take drugs they are not responsible.

@Readyforslippers unfortunately responsible people do take drugs. Tiredness, can affect decisions, more adversely than a bit of amphetamine.

This Guardian article is very interesting...hardly football hooligans..

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/16/traces-of-suspected-cocaine-found-after-parties-in-liz-truss-grace-and-favour-house-say-staff