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For crying age 50 as I feel left out! Help me toughen up?

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BeethovenNinth · 18/10/2025 21:08

go gently….am I being pathetic and just need to get a grip?!

group of local mums - known for being cliquey - started asking me to stuff a few years ago. Our kids are friendly. It was nice to be asked; I don’t drink and am probably not quite cool enough. I live in a small community and have some lovely friends but not a huge number and can feel lonely. I was left out of stuff for a time at high school and don’t do well with rejection from friends

I have had a very tough few years, one of my kids is chronically unwell, lots on, my husband has had some issues. Life is v busy and I’m peri menopausal. I therefore work hard to keep myself well. I don’t generally overshare; I am a coper. So it’s not that I am negative - I am generally positive and happy despite my life shit! I’m generally a nice soul, and have nice friends but tend to meet one or two friends for a walk/event.

Gradually I am being excluded from stuff - there is yet another party I haven’t been invited to tonight and I’m sat feeling 15 years old again and horribly sad and left out. I suspect it’s because our kids have slightly drifted meaning this group, as I thought, only asked me as the kids were friends.

they are nice people, I suspect it’s either an oversight or because the friendship isn’t strong enough. But why are some women so mean?! I just don’t behave this way myself and am always careful to make sure no one feels left out.

i want to toughen up and move on. We are on a WhatsApp and I need to protect my mental health and leave with grace I think rather than spend nights feeling sad. They don’t hugely discuss these social nights on this chat now - there is another chat I think and I find out from the kids when stuff is on that I haven’t been invited to.

has anyone been through similar? I don’t want to flounce from the group - maybe just say the kids are growing up and I am trying to trim my WhatsApp groups?

thank you to anyone reading this far!

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SomeHorse · 21/10/2025 09:58

dottiehens · 21/10/2025 09:46

At the very least they are thoughtless. I won’t be invested in a friendship with adult women like that.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Someone who only ever socialised on the fringes of their group after they started inviting her to things when their children started hanging out, has never really befriended them or reciprocated invitations (understandably, because she has a shit ton of bad stuff going on, but they don’t know that because she hasn’t told them), and now that their children are no longer close, is no longer so much on anyone’s radar when it comes to party invitations.

That’s not ‘mean’. If you’re having a house party with limited space, are you going to invite your actual friends, or someone who never seemed particularly at ease around you, kept on the fringes of things, and never reciprocated invitations, and whose children no longer hang out with yours?

No one, including the OP, has done anything wrong.

dottiehens · 21/10/2025 09:46

At the very least they are thoughtless. I won’t be invested in a friendship with adult women like that.

G5000 · 20/10/2025 05:49

OP, it's great you have reflected. Yes from your side it's not nice to feel excluded, but from the other side, it's also not nice to feel you're not someone worth an effort. I lost a friend like this, I noticed it's only me inviting, only me reaching out - if I didn't, I never heard from her. It was very hurtful to feel like I was good enough when I did stuff for her, but not good enough to do the same from her side. Your friends don't know if you're not inviting anybody and organising anything, or you are, but for 'better' friends.

HalfMumHalfBiccit · 19/10/2025 23:13

Sometimes this can turn out to be a blessing.

SaulHudsonDavidJones · 19/10/2025 22:56

I’ve been there before and it really hurt. But I had pride and self worth and walked away from them. Instead of thinking I didn’t have them as friends anymore, I thought ‘they don’t get to have me’. I’ve never regretted it. Not once.

Rainbowqueeen · 19/10/2025 22:13

OP, I congratulate you on reading and being grateful for everyone's comments.

I've also had to do some thinking about my friendships and their different levels and honestly it really does serve you well. When you are self reflecting something to bear in mind - "if you compassion does not extend to yourself, it is incomplete". So be kind to yourself. We are all on a journey and sometimes we lose perspective

Rumpledandcrumpled · 19/10/2025 21:34

Yeah I don’t see this as rejection either, unless you feel you not inviting them, is rejection and you rejected them first?

the sad truth is you didn’t engage, you didn’t invite them out, organise anything or reciprocate, so they have moved on. That’s not rejection, it also isn’t not waiting for you. It is matching your behaviour, they are treating you like you’ve treated them.

relationships have to be two way. No one likes it all one way where they give and someone always takes.

they simply matched your own behaviour.

user5883920 · 19/10/2025 21:24

OP- I admire you for taking the comments on the chin and self reflecting - thats a very brave thing to do. We could all do with doing that ourselves.

Regarding your question though: "I might eventually explore why I find rejection so hard". You absolutely do NOT need to trawl through your traumatic childhood memories for this one. It just needs to be re-framed because its a faulty assumption. Your friends are not "rejecting you"- they are simply moving on with plans with people who are engaging in their social circle. You admit that you withdraw when stressed. This is not "rejection" from them- thats a faulty assumption and its causing you all this stress in the first place. It's also what most of us in this thread have been trying to tell you.

There is no "rejection" here. They are friends choosing to spend time with other friends whom they feel close to. They dont feel close to you because you have withdrawn and arent reciprocating. Thats literally it. Re-framing this as something completely neutral - neither good nor bad, will help you stop being so bothered by it.

It is rarely what actually happens to us that upsets us, its the meaning we give it.

Sparkleandshiney · 19/10/2025 19:50

Be kind to yourself! Every single one of us has something not quite perfect... some of us have lots of somethings!

Just put on a smile, focus on the things dear to you and don't let the past dictate the future.

BeethovenNinth · 19/10/2025 18:22

Thanks to everyone who replied. I have read each and every post at least twice. Some are v kind (thank you!) and some are very honest (also thank you!)

some of the home truths are fair and for me to reflect on. I’m totally burnt out with life shit but so is everyone else but for some reason it makes me withdraw. It’s true that people can’t be expected to wait for me. And many of the people in the group have as much life shit - they all go back a long way and I think I’m socially insecure.

anyway - I shall focus on my smaller friendships and I might eventually explore why I find rejection so hard. I definitely base my self worth around my friends and actually, this has made me realise that it’s not at all emotionally healthy. But it would take months of talking around my shitty upbringing and trauma to sort and I don’t have the headspace for that just now. One day.

on the non drinking bit - I don’t drink due to a family health issue but lots of my friends do and it’s not really an issue. But I would agree that around a group which really involves drink for socialising, that’s not an easy mix. And I think that is the upshot here.

i still do think i need to toughen up and, yes, perhaps be less self absorbed. Im still amazed when anyone likes me and as i have lots of lovely friends, really should have got over that by now!

thanks MN (xx)

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G5000 · 19/10/2025 17:44

Seems reasonable to me that if someone never bothers to organise anything and also admits they don't have that much in common with the rest of the group and they don't really share what's going on in their life, is eventually invited less and less.
If the person in question notices it and wants to be in the group, they can make an effort.
What else should they do not to be 'cruel'? Yes someone could have pointed it out that OP doesn't seem to be too interested. But then again, OP has noticed herself she's not putting in the effort, but thought this was all fine anyway.

RawBloomers · 19/10/2025 17:06

EsmeSusanOgg · 19/10/2025 13:44

Both can be true. Perhaps everyone needs to actually use their words. I do not like silent edging out though. It is cruel. But it is also possible they are unaware of what is going on in OP's life - and she could talk to someone/ arrange something.

How do you think people in the group should handle having a party they don’t intend to invite OP to because they don’t really think of her as a friend, given they don’t have much in common and she’s made no effort with them for years? Call her up and say “Hi! I’m having a party but you’re not invited.” ?

deadpan · 19/10/2025 16:32

SomeHorse · 19/10/2025 12:07

So you didn’t like them, once they’d revealed their true characters to you, then. In which case, why on earth complain about their fickleness? Why would you want people you’d realised (presumably, if by the time you over heard the other person say ‘It’s only @deadpan’ your child was 2 or 3) you didn’t like to be enthusiastic about being your friend?

What seems to have catapulted you into ‘not choosing to have them as your friends’ was realising they weren’t crazy about you. That doesn’t make them bad people.

What a load of crap. Most people start to not like others when theyre not nice to them, ridicule them and not be friendly towards them. That's why I ended up not like them.

Rumpledandcrumpled · 19/10/2025 16:18

Idontdobumsex · 19/10/2025 15:49

My thinking about this OP is that they’re not your ‘people’. The reason I say this is that if they were your people then you’d automatically make arrangements with them and tell them about difficulties and the highs and lows of your life. You wouldn’t feel like you’re not cool enough for them.

So with that in mind, I honestly wouldn’t give the non invitation any further thought. It sounds like you have close friends elsewhere anyway.

I’m not a huge fan of huge friendship groups anyway. Inevitably someone ends up on the periphery and the whole group thing is just so much effort and I can’t be arsed.

Would she though? This forum is littered with people who feel entitled to friendship and sore when they don’t get it, feeling excluded, whinging about cliques, but when you drill down, they never invite people, never make an effort. They simply expect others to do everything and invite them along and let them join in. They don’t understand relationships have to be equal and you need to put in as much effort.

It is overwhelmingly likely the people in this group all make equal effort with each other, inviting, organising, hosting etc. and the people who don’t do anything and never reciprocate are the ones they simply stopped inviting.

if someone posted on here and said I always invite Jenny, parties, my house, out for drinks, she never ever reciprocates. Never asks me to anything, not even out for coffee, but is happy to turn up and eat my food and drink my drinks. People would be shouting bin her off, she’s a user. They’d not be shouting just keep giving to her.. you’re not a mug at all

Idontdobumsex · 19/10/2025 15:49

My thinking about this OP is that they’re not your ‘people’. The reason I say this is that if they were your people then you’d automatically make arrangements with them and tell them about difficulties and the highs and lows of your life. You wouldn’t feel like you’re not cool enough for them.

So with that in mind, I honestly wouldn’t give the non invitation any further thought. It sounds like you have close friends elsewhere anyway.

I’m not a huge fan of huge friendship groups anyway. Inevitably someone ends up on the periphery and the whole group thing is just so much effort and I can’t be arsed.

SomeHorse · 19/10/2025 13:55

EsmeSusanOgg · 19/10/2025 13:38

The OP said it was just her and another lady on the periphery who gave been left out of social functions... This is what you call 'classic reading the thread' MN.

Sigh. The OP only knows that this other person is also invited to fewer things lately because she’s also a friend of the OP’s and they talked about it.

She can have no idea how many other people, who are not separately friends of hers, weren’t invited to the party.

It sounds like a perfectly ordinary situational thing where some people whose children started to hang out with a pre-existing group’s children included them in some adult social stuff for years, and then, as they hadn’t particularly bonded enough to become firm friends in their own right, are just not particularly on anyone’s radar any more now the children are no longer friends.

I don’t think anyones done anything wrong.

Mary46 · 19/10/2025 13:51

Yes needs be two way efforts. I had nice friends we def drifted once our girls moved on to secondary. Its hard op. Maybe the kids not as much in common?

user5883920 · 19/10/2025 13:47

EsmeSusanOgg · 19/10/2025 13:44

Both can be true. Perhaps everyone needs to actually use their words. I do not like silent edging out though. It is cruel. But it is also possible they are unaware of what is going on in OP's life - and she could talk to someone/ arrange something.

I suspect her friends think it's the OP who is silently edging them out- this works both ways here if she never does any inviting.

thisishowloween · 19/10/2025 13:46

EsmeSusanOgg · 19/10/2025 13:44

Both can be true. Perhaps everyone needs to actually use their words. I do not like silent edging out though. It is cruel. But it is also possible they are unaware of what is going on in OP's life - and she could talk to someone/ arrange something.

But surely she's "silently edging them out " as well but not reciprocating any of their invites over the years Confused

I wouldn't bother inviting someone who never initiated a meet-up with me themselves.

EsmeSusanOgg · 19/10/2025 13:44

thisishowloween · 19/10/2025 10:37

Are they excluding her, though, or are they fed up of inviting her and initiating meet-ups, only for her not to bother in return?

Both can be true. Perhaps everyone needs to actually use their words. I do not like silent edging out though. It is cruel. But it is also possible they are unaware of what is going on in OP's life - and she could talk to someone/ arrange something.

user5883920 · 19/10/2025 13:43

But it doesn’t mean the OP isn’t allowed to feel upset or left out

But it does- how on earth can you feel "left out" when you never reciprocate or suggest plans? if OP's friends acted like her, noone would meet up ever and the group wouldnt even exist! Reciprocity is important in friendships.

thisishowloween · 19/10/2025 13:42

goldennebula · 19/10/2025 13:33

No one should be mug enough to keep on in a one sided relationship

Exactly- if I was constantly inviting my friend out and arranging get togethers and she never even once suggested something herself I would simply assume she didnt want to meet up or spend time with me. In fact, it would make me wonder if she even wanted to go out the previous times or whether she just agreed to go out of politeness/peer pressure.

You cannot just sit back passively in friendships and expect them to remain the same forever. They wont. Relationships of all kinds take effort and some investment on both sides to work, otherwise they become nothing more than parasitic.

Absolutely this.

You can't just sit back and "take" constant invitations without ever offering any yourself. It doesn't have to be fancy - ask someone out for a coffee or a dog walk, see if they fancy the cinema or a drink after work, or even a takeaway and a film.

One of my closest friends and I do most of our socialising around our dogs - just a walk and a coffee at someone's house, or we might pop over for half an hour with cake for a chat. It doesn't have to be expensive or take hours of your time.

EsmeSusanOgg · 19/10/2025 13:38

SomeHorse · 19/10/2025 11:19

This is classic Mn ‘cliques and exclusions everywhere’ thinking. For a start, we have no idea whether lots of people or just the OP weren’t invited to the party.

For another, this party was presumably hosted by one person, or one couple, who invited the people they wanted to invite, and didn’t invite people they felt no particular connection to. It’s highly unlikely to have involved a group of Mean Girls with a list issuing groupthink invitations and pointedly leaving out the OP because she’s not cool enough.

The OP said it was just her and another lady on the periphery who gave been left out of social functions... This is what you call 'classic reading the thread' MN.

mixedcereal · 19/10/2025 13:38

Rumpledandcrumpled · 19/10/2025 13:26

But she’s never once invited them to anything, isn’t thay hurtful and upsetting to them, the fact that she takes and takes of their hospitality but never thinks to give back? They can’t just keep giving and giving and giving. At some point when you realise someone isn’t giving the same back, or even anything back you’d be a fool to keep going. And the excuse of she’s busy with a lot on, is fine, we all get it, but I don’t know one person who doesn’t have a lot of shit going on. All different sure, but people make the effort to organise stuff, invite people, and these people were kind enough to do so and make the effort for her, she just never bothered doing the same back/

no one is entitled to a life time of hospitality. And then proclaiming it’s hurtful when it stops and they are mean women. Not if you don’t bother ever reciprocating. If you don’t bother, then it’s on you. No one should be mug enough to keep on in a one sided relationship.

I don’t think we know remotely enough about what kind of things are arranged for you to comment that they are “giving and giving and giving”
there’s always typically someone in a group who’s an organiser doesn’t mean their selflessly giving hospitality and need something in return.

I’m not saying these group of mums are mean. I’m very much of the view that people shouldn’t be included for the sake of it, as grown adults. But it doesn’t mean the OP isn’t allowed to feel upset or left out

goldennebula · 19/10/2025 13:33

No one should be mug enough to keep on in a one sided relationship

Exactly- if I was constantly inviting my friend out and arranging get togethers and she never even once suggested something herself I would simply assume she didnt want to meet up or spend time with me. In fact, it would make me wonder if she even wanted to go out the previous times or whether she just agreed to go out of politeness/peer pressure.

You cannot just sit back passively in friendships and expect them to remain the same forever. They wont. Relationships of all kinds take effort and some investment on both sides to work, otherwise they become nothing more than parasitic.

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