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To think the TV License should be scrapped

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Hedgehogbrown · 18/10/2025 19:09

Hear me out. I love the BBC, grew up on it, and want it preserved forever. The Television License is such an outdated and inefficient way to pay for the BBC though. Most young people don't have a TV, they have computers and they don't see why they should get a TV License, regardless of the law. They don't have a TV License. Most Millennials I know don't pay their TV License. When you are poor it is another stressful expense.

How much does it cost them to try to enforce? It seems so old fashioned and wasteful. In Australia they have a state run channel but it is paid for through general taxation. If the government grew some balls and taxed all the Tech Bros who are trying to destroy the world, they can ring fence some of that taxation for the BBC. The BBC is actually good at making money, it exports it's stuff around the world. Their profits can go to the Treasury. No more paying for people to go round in vans trying to catch people out for not having a license like it's the 1970s.

I think it would be such a vote winner for people to not have to pay this.

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x2boys · 19/10/2025 11:55

Needmorelego · 19/10/2025 11:53

Horrible Histories is great and worth the licence fee alone.
Call the Midwife is reasonably a nice programme.
My mum likes that crime drama set in Cornwall (?) and the couple of episodes I have seen are fairly watchable.
There's probably more that I can't think of on the top of my head.
You really can't say that all BBC programmes are awful.

Again that's just your opinion though you clearly think it's worth the licence fee that's fine
People are allowed to disagree.

Needmorelego · 19/10/2025 11:53

x2boys · 19/10/2025 11:25

In your opinion.

Horrible Histories is great and worth the licence fee alone.
Call the Midwife is reasonably a nice programme.
My mum likes that crime drama set in Cornwall (?) and the couple of episodes I have seen are fairly watchable.
There's probably more that I can't think of on the top of my head.
You really can't say that all BBC programmes are awful.

pokewoman · 19/10/2025 11:52

Should be subscription.

I havent had a TV license for 15 years. I dont watch live TV and the only thing I miss is the occasional football match. Theres a few things I would watch on itv but im not paying the BBC for that pleasure, so I watch it on streaming instead. There's absolutely nothing I want to watch on BBC, nor do I listen to any of their radio services or use their website.

EasternStandard · 19/10/2025 11:43

HothouseFlower · 19/10/2025 11:16

With Netflix, Now TV etc I can pause them for a month if I'm not going to watch them

I'd be in favour of paying for the BBC if I could opt in and out like that. Their model is too old fashioned

Same. We’re paying to watch a series (Slow Horses) then we’ll stop. Seems a good way to do it.

RedRiverShore5 · 19/10/2025 11:43

HothouseFlower · 19/10/2025 11:11

Also: Capita have just been fined £14m for a data breach. I object to the BBC using Capita.

"Opting out" means I have to go on the BBC website to give them (Capita) my name, address, email address and IP address just to tell them I don't use the BBC's service

Was that the pensions breach or has there been another one, loads of people had data stolen in the Capital pensions one, including myself

RedRiverShore5 · 19/10/2025 11:38

x2boys · 19/10/2025 10:00

So if they were capable of detecting, why do they send letters to unlicensed house holds asking whether you are watching TV and reminding you it's illegal to watch it without a licence ,surely they could just detect whether you were of not.?
I remember them coming to student halls back in the 90,s ( long before I was aware of my rights) and we had a heads up from security so we all hid our TV,s they couldn't detect a damn thing!

They used to detect them in the 60s, when it was the old vhf 405 line tellys, do you remember them, we had a little round b and w one that sat on the sideboard. Once the 625 line ones came out, it was much more difficult. They wouldn't detect them in the 90s, did they even have vans then.

x2boys · 19/10/2025 11:25

Needmorelego · 19/10/2025 11:20

Ok if you have seen selected BBC made programmes you must have had the bad luck to watch the rubbish ones.
There's some good stuff too. It's a mixture. Some stuff is great.

In your opinion.

Needmorelego · 19/10/2025 11:20

Whammyyammy · 19/10/2025 10:42

Because I used to watch it when I paid the outdated licence fee.
Plus I travel a lot and come across bbc, which is free outside of the UK

Ok if you have seen selected BBC made programmes you must have had the bad luck to watch the rubbish ones.
There's some good stuff too. It's a mixture. Some stuff is great.

HothouseFlower · 19/10/2025 11:16

Silverbirchleaf · 18/10/2025 19:38

Surely it’s no different to paying a Netflix subscription, or paying for Sky?

With Netflix, Now TV etc I can pause them for a month if I'm not going to watch them

I'd be in favour of paying for the BBC if I could opt in and out like that. Their model is too old fashioned

mutinyonthetwix · 19/10/2025 11:14

The BBC has an immense back catalogue of decades of content that it ought to be able to monetise, particularly overseas, to at least significantly subsidise its current services. I've never fully understood why it's never really succeeded with that.

Frequency · 19/10/2025 11:12

SharonEllis · 19/10/2025 10:16

Its not criminalising people for watching tv, its criminalising people for not paying for a service that they use. You can't ride on a train for free.

I never watch the BBC. It seems to be nothing but cooking, gardening, and dancing shows, and Eastenders, none of which I am interested in.

I do enjoy ITV dramas, but unless I am willing to pay for a service I do not want or use, I can't watch them without being criminalised by the BBC or waiting for them to hit Netflix/catch up.

How is that fair? Once people have to start paying for Disney Plus, so that I can watch Netflix, I will start paying for a TV license, until then I will put up with the shitty letters telling me I will go to prison and expecting me to prove that I am not commiting a crime (for all other crimes, the onus on the state to prove a crime occured not the accused to prove they didn't).

They've lost a potential customer in me, because if it were a subscription service, I would pay for it when Dr Who is showing.

5MinuteArgument · 19/10/2025 11:12

It needs to be subscription only. It only speaks to the well off. Nearly all BBC journalists have been to private school. The minority that haven't, have been to very prestigious grammar schools.

They think they are diverse but they are totally unrepresentative of the UK in terms of class and opinion. They think they know what's going on, but they only know how life is for the well off. If people want to subscribe to that, they're welcome to.

HothouseFlower · 19/10/2025 11:11

Also: Capita have just been fined £14m for a data breach. I object to the BBC using Capita.

"Opting out" means I have to go on the BBC website to give them (Capita) my name, address, email address and IP address just to tell them I don't use the BBC's service

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/10/2025 11:04

Hedgehogbrown · 19/10/2025 09:49

Well I suppose that's answered my question. If any politician tries to scrap it and pay for it through general taxation, a loads of BBC haters like you lot will be all 'make it a subscription' blah blah. There are lots of things you get taxed for but don't use. How often do you use an ambulance or fire brigade? Australia and Canada have state channels that are paid for through taxation. They aren't saying ' of Maureen from Mumsnet thinks it's all shite, she shouldn't have to pay.

Lots of people enjoy and need the BBC. Also, you do need a license for BBC iPlayer by the way, those of you who think you don't need one. How many of you spend hours scrolling through Facebook. They pay fuck all tax. That's where I was suggesting the money comes from.

Didn't want this to become a BBC bashing thread.

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There are lots of things you get taxed for but don't use. How often do you use an ambulance or fire brigade?

I'm happy to continue to pay tax to fund these things for contingent use. I do not use the BBC and never will, and I refuse to pay to have hilariously biased regional news piped into my home.

Lots of people enjoy and need the BBC

Cool, they can continue to fund it then...

Also, you do need a license for BBC iPlayer by the way, those of you who think you don't need one

and ffs, it's "licence".

CalzoneOnLegs · 19/10/2025 11:03

@XDownwiththissortofthingX
yes it is a myth, but they rely on some people being gullible, sadly.

there are some photos of the vans, the ones that aren’t scrapped are in museums, literally museum pieces 🤣

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/10/2025 11:00

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 18/10/2025 20:04

They do detect. They detected us as students not having one. Knew our names and everything.

This is nonsense.

At no point has the BBC ever operated any sort of "detection" equipment.

CalzoneOnLegs · 19/10/2025 10:55

@x2boys

Golden Rule - never engage with a Crapita Goon

x2boys · 19/10/2025 10:53

Dbank · 19/10/2025 10:45

I tend to think of the £12 as a subscription to the BBC as I would Netflix etc.

If you're considering evading it, be aware it carries a criminal conviction, which can be a lifelong problem, and not totally unlikely as 50,000 people found out last year...

Because they were stupid enough to answer the door and admit to.it.....

Hellohah · 19/10/2025 10:47

I didn't renew my TV in Jan/Feb. I've been sent about 20 letters and I must say they are pretty threatening. We've had one chap come to the house and told him we don't watch TV. They then sent another letter.

I did watch Strike on BBC when I had a licence and will want to watch the new series when it comes out. But that's £40+ an episode when it's the only thing you will watch. I'll just go somewhere with a TV licence and watch it there.

The nature of the letters makes me determined to never watch TV again. I've paid for years without getting my monies worth and they've never asked if I think I get value for money, or what would make it more worthwhile, just threats of investigation. They won't get a penny out of me for that alone. The wording on the website is also ambiguous and I feel attempts to trick people in buying it when they probably don't need it.

Dbank · 19/10/2025 10:45

I tend to think of the £12 as a subscription to the BBC as I would Netflix etc.

If you're considering evading it, be aware it carries a criminal conviction, which can be a lifelong problem, and not totally unlikely as 50,000 people found out last year...

Whammyyammy · 19/10/2025 10:44

LlynTegid · 19/10/2025 10:41

It is a charge per household. Collect it with the council tax and have a system of opting out if you have no tv. Cost of collection and enforcement would be almost nil, and the charge could probably be reduced by 10 per cent at least.

The BBC don't help their cause by not knowing when to end a series (flogging dead horses so to speak) and the three word argument for licence fee abolition, Mrs Brown's Boys.

It's not about whether you have a tv or not. It's about watching bbc or live tv.

There's many tv service providers that support themselves without old fashioned scare mongering. Bbc need to move with the times... or disappear

Whammyyammy · 19/10/2025 10:42

Needmorelego · 19/10/2025 10:39

How do you know it's rubbish if you don't watch it 🤔

Because I used to watch it when I paid the outdated licence fee.
Plus I travel a lot and come across bbc, which is free outside of the UK

LlynTegid · 19/10/2025 10:41

It is a charge per household. Collect it with the council tax and have a system of opting out if you have no tv. Cost of collection and enforcement would be almost nil, and the charge could probably be reduced by 10 per cent at least.

The BBC don't help their cause by not knowing when to end a series (flogging dead horses so to speak) and the three word argument for licence fee abolition, Mrs Brown's Boys.

Needmorelego · 19/10/2025 10:39

Whammyyammy · 19/10/2025 10:38

Can sky, disney+, Netflix, Prime, Paramount etc also be included in with council tax? If you're going to force people to pay for a tv service, then include them all.
And no, I have not paid the bbc licence fee in years as don't watch that rubbish service.

How do you know it's rubbish if you don't watch it 🤔

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