Angry at house seller?

Radiators - YANBU
lights - YABu
mirror - I'm on the fence

I think the radiators are unreasonable to remove. Lights and mirrors are reasonable - we took most of ours when we moved as they were very valuable and antique. Every house I’ve bought or rented has basic bare bulbs and mirrors.

Light fittings, yes (I was once asked to take them since new owners didn't like them - I didn't want them so said I would not, they could change them - real hassle taking them out!). Radiators are not really fixtures and fittings but part of the heating system - I'd expect them to stay. Mind, I have known people take loo roll holders, light fittings, curtain rails etc and I NEVER see the point of taking fitted carpes as they won't fit wherever you are going!

Try reading my full post and applying what I've said to your bed . . . 🙄

Having bought and sold seven houses, the estate agents always told me that if it was screwed/fixed to a surface at the time the viewing, then it was included in the sale. So I Think the OP should talk to her solicitor.

“When I submitted my offer I had taken into account the current radiators. Content to proceed with the terms now proposed but with a discount of £x.” Provided the discount is a reasonable estimate of the value of the radiators that will be fair. Taking the expensive light fittings seems fair to me, if they had a 100k chandelier it wouldn’t be assumed that would remain but the radiators sit rather differently.

This is one of the flaws in the UK house buying system. You agree a price for the house, before you actually know what is being included.

OP the only two options you have are:

• Tell the vendor your offer was based on everything being included, and threaten to pull out if that’s not going to be the case
• Offer them more cash to leave them

If thry paid a ton for them and are replacing them then I think it should be a point of negotiation if you made an offer based on the fittings like radiators and lights.

The are leaving the rads, just not the ones you want

could be they are moving somewhere they can’t afford to rebut so want to take everything, and why not.

you can either offer them something to leave it, so they can buy again, or accept and but and replace yourself

I would be annoyed too , it should have been mentioned at viewing or on the listing , perhaps the estate agent didn’t know .

Light fittings and mirror makes sense, but I think it's bit weird to take the radiators.

Wow..we used to have a small property business and i have never experienced this as a buyer or seller. Were any of the items used as part of the advertising. They wont find it cheap to remove those fittingsand have them replaced by qualifiedplumbers and electricians. I would not be happy at all.

Agree with the posters above about pulling out unless you really really are committed - they are either very tight or angry about what you have paid and want more money. They have shown you what kind of people they are, do you really want to make a massive investment with them as your supplier? God knows what else they might do/ expect you to pay for. While radiators are expensive, it cant be a massive saving after you have had to pay to pull them out, empty them, buy replacements, make good, and transport the old ones to the new place.

Actually I wonder if this is a way of getting more money out of you or putting you off.

Well yeah I obviously know they're not the same but PP said "if they're in the pictures they should be included" which is ridiculous as my ridiculous example shows. Perhaps people shouldn't comment "from a legal perspective" unless they're in property law.

It's not the fixtures themselves that would worry me it's the attitude. What else might they do?
I think if someone was planning to replace things like radiators that should have been made clear by the EA

Another argument for a register of people who are unreasonable when it comes to selling and buying houses, so they can never pull such stunts again.

This. No-one takes the radiators FFS. 🙄

No, taking radiators is a new one on me as they form part of the central heating system. Light fittings, yes. The bathroom mirror? Wtf for a wired in one. Done properly removing the radiators could be fine, but you're not getting any say in the matter, it could result in damage to decor, etc. Unless they're doing it themselves it could cost them a lot if it's every radiator.

Our sellers invited us to pay for the period style light fittings. We declined and they left them anyway as they would have looked right in their new modern place.

I can hear DP saying this is ridiculous and we could be moving into somewhere that needs lots of work immediately if they're going to behave like that and we are having second thoughts and will have to think if we want to proceed!

Either you've pissed them off in some way or one of them, I'll guess him, is a penny pinching git who thought they'd get more for the place.

Not even remotely the same. And you know that. 🙄

Really, you genuinely expect people to take radiators?

This. Withdraw the offer @perfectpotato Feck knows what else they will remove! 😬

Speak to the estate agent, express your incredulity at the bat shit craziness of taking the rads (they will absolutely agree) and get them nervous that you’re going to pull out/renegotiate the price. They’ll be in the phone to the vendor explaining the error of their ways immediately!

Possibly, @DancingNotDrowning - or if they want an easy life OP could well get some youth in a shiny suit trying to pretend that everyone does this

Like others I'd pull out, but a solicitor's fee could be money well spent against any other crazy ideas which may possess the vendors

Typo

Pretty certain they can't just take radiators as they're attached to the walls.

If they take them and replace them with normal radiators it's going to really mess up the walls, unless they have the walls of each affected room completely repainted, which I imagine they're not planning on doing. Also the rooms will look completely different without the existing radiators.

Very much something that needs to be discussed with your solicitor.

I'd be very tempted to pull out of the purchase tbh.

Today I learned there's such a thing as a Bluetooth Mirror.