To wonder if the rise in gender confusion is due to

Boys who do ballet don't wear pink.

OMG!!,

Grayson Perry has said that he has his skirts specially designed to hide his erection

Can I ask a q about AGP.? If you are turned on by dressing as a woman and others seeing you as such, do these men walk around in a permanently aroused state? How do they manage throughout a night in a club or walking around a supermarket etc.

This is all so sad. Society has allowed children to be gaslit that a change of sex will cure their uncomfortable developing bodies and emotional vulnerabilities.
It's shameful as we know the impact of social contagion amongst children / young people in relation to eating disorders, suicidal ideation, self harm etc. Yet schools, the NHS, universities etc have allowed adults / groups with a vested interest in transitioning to sell their ideology to children who are emotionally and intellectually too young to navigate this complex set of beliefs.

The impact of this plus social contagion has resulted in thousands of children / young people giving up their future fertility, sexual function and good physical / mental health. Collectively we've failed to safeguard them with too many believing the lies they're told about "harmless" drugs and surgery.

These are adult decisions. As they realise the grim consequences of the life changing decisions they've made before they reached maturity, their rage and despair will be immense.

When I was at school in the mid 00s it was immensely popular to be bisexual. Being gay not so much and gay boys in particular were bullied but being bi became a bit of a fashionable fad. Now it seems to be non-binary. It’s fashionable to use ‘they/them’ pronouns. I have no issue with people being gender critical, fucking around with fashion and haircuts and whatever else. The pronoun thing is just a bit cringe though.

As soon as I see someone is a they/them or even worse a she/they (what?!), I kind of get a gist for the sort of person they will be. Usually alternative style, which again I dressed that way as a teen too so no judgement but there does seem to be a link between that world and being non-binary. Have definitely also noticed a link with SEN or disabled people.

Social contagion, vulnerable and ASD teens made even more vulnerable by lockdown which increased social isolation, and male sexual fetish.

Not the water.

Thank you - that's interesting.

’out of pattern’ was my poor attempt to explain that more freshwater fish are changing to male to female without the normal reasons for their change - eg/ limited fish to mate with - this is then damaging to their continuation as a species.
There also seems to be some feminisation of the hermaphrodite male though it’s not at a point where it should need to change to be female so there is disruption there as well.
I’m not sure how to explain it better but I wonder what these damaging pollution effects as seen in the fish are having on humans though not in a trans sense as fish don’t choose, nor have a concept of gender.
As it happens I also wonder about bees who were starting to lose their homing navigational systems due to pesticides - again damaging their population.
I think we ought to pay closer attention to what is happening in other animals due to our treatment of the environment but whilst no scientist I just do find it fascinating how much we can be altered by outside factors.
I am obviously only talking about sex as fish are not gendered nor would they understand gender - maybe it’s interesting more go male-female than female to male recently - if they understood gender and gad an actual choice in their sex change then we could hope they found female the best to be!

I work in a mental health profession and completely agree with this comment. I very rarely come across people where I would feel genetics is the root of their need to transition - the rest have unfortunately experienced trauma which has resulted in their decision.
A reasonable number of clients I’m in professional contact with, have reversed their decision to transition once the early trauma has been addressed.

Maybe I got the terminology wrong - I am not a scientist. I am going on what a paediatric surgeon told me. Their job is to operate on babies who are born with some form of DSD. A decision has to be taken as to whether they are male or female. They commented that this was quite rare at the beginning of their career but it much more common now. The thought was that it could be down to the contraceptive pill - especially if people fall pregnant while taking it. It is worrying that these things are becoming more common.

'out of pattern'. I think if anyone bothered to ask the fish they'd probably say they were sick of being male-fishsplained to and thought they'd swap over for a bit to get some headspace and perhaps someone talking to them about the seaweed removal job required on the fish-car rather than deferring to their male husband fish.

I can see why young woman find it appealing to want to be like those fish.

Regardless of that debunked stat, there is someone claiming that they see "several cases a week" of babies "born with both male/female reproductive organs."

If this is true, it's huge and probably one of the most drastic increases in a medical condition that I've heard of - hence my wanting to find out about it.

But I'm just being given a vague unevidenced figure about anything classed as a DSD in general (as far as I can see) when I've asked about it. If you simply got it wrong @Luna6 please do say - no-one will think badly of you.
I'm interested to know what it actually is that has increased in the way you are talking about.

As to 'non-binary', well, everyone is non-binary. No one is 100% adhering to their gender stereotypes 100% of the time. Non-binary is simply a label to make someone feel 'unique'. It really means f all, because everyone, by definition, by practice and by default, is not 100% binary. That's the joke with this. Non-binary simply means you're the same as 100% other human beings. And:

It's actually 0.018%. People wrongly added conditions like PCOS and got 1.7%. The 1.7% is a debunked myth that was pushed by trans activists.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

It’s probably not so relevant to the direction of this thread now, but I think it’s interesting that freshwater fish change sex out of pattern (and damaging to their continuation) because of pollutants including pesticides and the birth control pill.
I wonder how damaging such pollutants are to humans in the longer term - I appreciate we don’t change sex as fish do, as we are made differently, but the same pollutants do still affect our hormone levels and fertility- so I guess they may also affect other parts of how we are physically and mentally.

The fact that you call them by the derogatory term ‘intersex’ rather than disorders of/variation in sexual development or congenital reproductive disorders show you are repeating transactivist statistics rather than those or medical professionals. People with these conditions are not some ‘other’ sex - they are either male or female.

It Is 0.018%

Specifically ones that involve both ovaries and testes? Or are you now talking about something else i.e. all DSDs?
Some of these are very common ( eg Kilnefelters) - but it would be absurd to claim that they are in any way confusable with being "born with both male/female reproductive organs".

Which conditions are you talking about that one individual is seeing 10+ every month?

I’m not sure where you are getting your statistics from but approx 1.7% of babies are born what is classed as intersex conditions.

That's interesting - when you say they're gender-non-conforming do you mean their behaviour etc doesn't conform to that commonly associated with their birth sex, or to that of the gender they identify as?

The difference is that today people are reaching conclusions 1 or 2 in my post above from 12.39, rather than conclusion 3.

I think there are more girls feeling like boys so I don't think it has anything to do with estrogen.

I think this is true. I wanted to be a boy as a teenager, puberty hit I shot up to 5 11” I felt really lanky in comparison to my dainty, feminine peers. I filled out eventually and sort of grew into myself. I suspect had these organisations existed then I’d of been led firm a fifferent path which is why I advocate watchful waiting.

Thing is, we all drink the water. I’m 45. I have loads of friends from school and my early life who are trans and non-binary. They were just as gender non-conforming back in the 90s when we were teenagers as they are now, except now there is a name for it and the Daily Mail has worked the peasants into a frenzy about it. But I don’t see much difference in terms of young people today and my friends when I was in school other than just more acceptance today that not everyone fits neatly into comfortable boxes.