Motability cars - should they be UK made?

Then it's changed because the things you mention weren't allowed before.
Are you checking with mobility or DVLA as they have different ideas on the rules.

No but its hard to prove those with mental health problems are lying.

People aren't getting free cars of any worth though. They are allowed to put some of their mobility allowance towards leasing the car. To qualify for that allowance you have to prove you are severely disabled. If leasing the car costs more than the allowance people have to supplement the cost with their own money. It's not the case right now that Andy from little Britain can point at a Jaguar and say "want that one" and get it free.

They have a choice of car but if the choice is more expensive they pay the difference themselves. What's changing is removing the VAT exemption. It's a way of raising extra tax revenue but might make it harder for people to afford the cars upfront. So I feel conflicted. But the reason they have to go for VAT exemption is because there isn't some big pot of people frivolously claiming that they can make easy savings from.

Most British made cars are on the expensive end anyway. So either a lot of people.would be priced out by that requirement or you would need to raise the benefit to allow people to lease Jaguars and Land rovers. Which would likely not go down well.

Do you mean vehicle tax exemption? That can apply to privately owned cars as well as Motability cars if the registered keeper meets the criteria. Do you think that means no-one else would be allowed to use a privately owned vehicle if the registered keeper is exempt from vehicle tax?

You don't know what you are talking about.

I use the car during the day to see my friends, go shopping etc. Taking care of myself and my mental and physical health is beneficial to my son; whose car it is. It would be ridiculous to change cars. What am I supposed to do? Drive him to his day centre then come home, change cars, do my stuff, come home again, change cars and then go pick him up. A whole other car with its related expenses. Don't you think that would be ridiculous?

Maybe you missed my previous post where I explained this to you.

If you work, you are benefiting your disabled family member by providing an income.

If you are ill, you benefit your disabled family member by driving the car to get the prescription to get better.

I can drive the car with my dogs to the park to walk them because my daughter benefits from having dogs. I can drive to the gym because it benefits her if I am healthy. I can drive to the shops to buy clothes or to a restaurant to have lunch with friends because it benefits her that my mental health is good.

My husband recently started a new job which means he needs to use the car and we phoned up and got business use added to the basic motability insurance. It means our daughter will continue to have a roof over her head.

My motability car cost me £8000 up front, plus about £300 every month which comes straight from my PIP. The original lease agreement is for three years, but you can extend it to five years if you have had to pay for extensive modifications. I’m very much hoping my modifications will qualify because when this lease runs out I’m looking at having to find another £8000. This is a vehicle that has a wheelchair hoist in the boot and modified steering to enable me to drive it.

My current wheelchair is 15 years old, and they no longer make tyres for it so I’m trundling round on bald tyres hoping they don’t burst because when they do I will have to replace the chair. It cost about £6,000 when I bought it, to get something that can compare will cost me over £10,000. I have a cheaper indoor chair that cost £2,600 about five years ago that I can use for work and round a shopping centre if I know it’s flat and smooth, but if I can’t afford to replace my big chair when the tyres go I will no longer be able to walk my dog.

My disability has cost me tens of thousands of pounds. No the government don’t pay. They give you a little bit of help, but in order to be a functioning member of society I have to find the money myself. I’m extremely lucky in that my parents are able to help me and my husband is a high earner. Left to the government I would be unable to hold down a job and would end up stuck on incapacity benefit, presumably being pressured to get a job which I can’t do without the equipment they won’t pay for. As it is, me working barely covers the cost of the support I need to be able to work, but I’d rather have a life.

So no, it is not a perk, it is not a free car, it is a bit of help to try to alleviate the burden of the cost of disability. It does make a dent in the cost, but you’re extremely naive if you think it covers all of it. I am significantly worse off due to my disability.

To everyone who thinks I should be restricted to an even narrower pool of cars that are even less likely to meet my needs, to put it bluntly, fuck off!!! 🤬🤬🤬

It's not an out of work benefit
Again do you think mental health professionals are thick?

No - I'm not aware that they'd do anything anyway.
One admitted they don't need PIP anymore since surgery but its an easy way to coast into retirement and they aren't up for review until after state pension age.
The other claims mental health problems but only seems to have a problem with working. She prefers to be left alone on PIP and ESA while enjoying a packed social life and gets quite narked if we can't meet her for coffee, shopping, a walk in the park etc because we have to work

Same for adults. My sister has just had to get one for her and the first thing her husband (the driver) checked before doing it was if it was ok to use the car for school runs and day to day thing and it was

Right so you want parents of disabled children to unnecessarily spend time and money on public transport ,to get essentials like clothes or have an occasional coffee with friends ,?
I could do that but I couldn't guarantee I would be back in time for school transport
I that wouldn't benefit my son would it
You may not like it but mobility expect you to use the car as a family car, they don't expect you to spend hours on unreliable public transport.

Have you reported those people who you believe shouldn't be claiming?

But it does say it has to be for the benefit of the disabled person.
How is a named driver visiting her friends in the car benefiting the disabled person.
How is going clothes shopping for herself benefiting the disabled person.
The tax exemptions are meant to benefit a disabled person not be a perk for a named driver

The motability car is our only car, it is deemed as the family car and is used for all of our journeys. With or without our son.

I can't think of anything that we'd use the car for that wouldn't also directly or indirectly benefit him.

Why don't you read the rules rather than relying on hearsay from your one example and deciding you are right 🤔

Which DVLA exemptions do you mean?

Well.maybe your example needs ,to speak to motability than.

What things fo you think parent, s of disabled children use the car for that doesn't directly benefit the child ?

So can the parents of a disabled child use the car without the child for things that don't benefit the child.
Motobility and the DVLA seem to disagree about usage to.
The named driver in my example isn't allowed to use the car for herself because the exemptions apply to the disabled person not her as told to her by DVLA

People really need to acquaint themselves with the facts.

No, the car has to be used for the benefit of the disabled person but if you are the parent, are ill, it is clearly to the disabled child's benefit that you get the prescription and get better. So it is allowed.

You can also use the car to go to work each day too, as having an income to support the disabled child is for their benefit.

You can drive to football practice because your health and well being benefit the disabled person. Etc.

I can only speak for DLA rather than PIP because my son is too young for PIP yet but it wasn't an easy process to go through and to get high rate care and high rate mobility which is what my son gets, you need mounds of evidence from medical professionals.

You are wrong it is to benefit the disabled child / adult that doesn't mean the child/ adult has to be in the car and the named driver can use it to go to work because that benefits the disabled child/ adult keeping a roof over their heads etc .
Don't just make up your own rules and decide you are right.

I dont think the proposals included a change to the high rate mobility component so this wouldnt have affected the people eligible for cars. They would all have remained eligible. It was around the daily living points.

Your probably right - tightening the criteria would help but the government tried that and many people shouted 'unfair' so they backed down (again).
You can't really believe that all PIP claimants are genuine - this country has many people who will do a little as possible for as much as possible hence UC conditionality being introduced.