Motability cars - should they be UK made?

@Sinuhe I hope, for your sake, that nothing ever happens to you so that you become disabled and need assistance, because it will clearly be a huge shock to you when you find you won't be living the luxury lifestyle that you seem to think disabled people are living at tax payers' expense.

If you follow one line of supposed Christian reasoning (especially the more protestant views that flourished in the Victorian times and which were seeded in the US) then peoples estate in life is all part of Gods plan.

So the disabled were made that way by God, and who are we to try to undo his work ?

It's the same principle which abhors any form of handout. People are supposed to provide for themselves. Any form of support is going to lead to moral decay and hell on earth.

This is the darker side of the oft-praised "protestant work ethic". Which eschews helping others in favour of helping yourself and telling you it's Gods plan.

I'm probably oversimplified things a tad (if such a thing is possible on a thread like this) but you get the gist.

Absolutely. I struggle to understand their thought process. They know that they would not want to be severely disabled.

You make it sound like those are the only two options. I can assure you they are not. Especially in some peoples minds. Eugenics is still very much at the heart of some modern political movements.

Do you want disabled people to a) go to work and pay taxes or b) sit at home on slightly reduced benefits and not pay taxes?

Anything that makes sense is ignored.

they are just jealous. Of disabled people. So bizarre.

I would hope so. It has been mentioned countless times, on threads like these, so it is not like people are not aware of what some of us have been saying about the assessment process, and countless appeals. Is it just being ignored then, by the posters who wish to bash the disabled on PIP?

Maybe they should have thought of that before they became disabled ?

(Will be what some people on this thread think).

And also the significant challenge and pain disabled people go through. I cannot in good conscience support any form of disability cuts

An oldie, but goldie.

I still change people to disprove the proportions. First comment on absolute values gets the poor comprehension award for this thread. Which would be quite an achievement given there is intense competition.

Still, if it can happen anywhere, it can happen here.

Well that rather solves the problem doesn't it ? I refer you again to poster from a history less than a century ago which still has living survivors.

I don't understand why there is not any outrage from all of these people about the assessment process, and the colossal waste of money, they cost, in appeals.

If there was, would you get to hear of it ?

I was a horrible shameless benefits basher. Then I read and actually saw how insignificant PIP is on the total UK budget. It's around 2% of total expenditure. It'll barely make a dent. Other places you can cut.

Nope, I am just highlighting the fact that even able bodied people can be trapped in jobs and locations with little or no financial help from the government.

So you want to increase unemployment? How do you think that will decrease taxation?

I suggest you look at the £895 billion, the Bank of England has used for quantitative easing since 2008/9:

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/158/treasury-committee/news/199797/bank-of-england-has-taken-a-leap-in-the-dark-on-quantitative-tightening-treasury-committee-concludes/

The Parliamentary Committee has commented that the Bank of England has used a vast amount of taxpayers money, without any regard to value for money.

The amount spent on PIP higher rate mobility pales into insignificance!

What should we do regarding the disabled who'd die without support?

I thought that was one of the changes that people who have life long conditions will no longer have to be reassessed. I hope it is as it’s very stressful

It’s a very poor how assessments are managed

This. I don't understand why there is not any outrage from all of these people about the assessment process, and the colossal waste of money, they cost, in appeals. Why on Earth are people having to go through the process every few years, when they have conditions that will never improve, or be 'cured'.

My son’s Motability vehicle gets swapped soon. It doesn’t need any special modifications because his issues are learning disability not physical disability. Still I guess it allows folk buying his old car second hand to froth at the knickers about able bodied people being given new cars.

You can't report imaginary happenings.

It was just bantz

Your assuming the.disabled person and their is living in luxury, often that's not the case my family also lives month to month and we survive on my Dh just above minimum wage, UC carers allowance and my sons DLA ,yes we have a nice mobility car for my son but I would swap that in a heartbeat for my Ron nor to be disabled.

Which you have to give back after 3 or 5 years and then find the money to pay a new advanced payment for the next car.

They still have more choices. They can move for work, requalify, work more hours. For disabled people like my son, they can’t do any of this. They are stuck in the same situation for life.

Deal with the benefit bill by stop wasting money denying people PIP then having it go to appeal. Get the money owed by cooperations.