Motability cars - should they be UK made?

I'm so sorry to hear that.

I would also love to swap my situation of spending 25 years taking care of someone seriously disabled with the next god only knows how many years ahead of me...

But I get to drive around in a new Volvo so that makes it preferable? Fucking hell. No idea about what people are living with. Awful illnesses, severe disabilities and resenting one actually useful bit of help we get. Fucking hell, take a look at yourself OP and anyone who agrees with you.

If the scheme was scrapped, it would save the tax payer nothing. But imagine the impact on the motor industry.

This, plus the adaptations aren’t free either.

The adaptations to my car cost me £2.5k.

Even Morgan, made up the road from me, is Italian owned now.

I have just been diagnosed with a terminal illness and granted higher rate mobility payments. As it goes, I’ve decided that I don’t want a motability car. However, I am very willing to give up my £77.00 per week to any of the spiteful, resentful fuckers who are willing to also take my diagnosis. Any day of the week.

There's so many different needs among motability customers, which is why there is a need for a wide variety of vehicles. People need different height vehicles, some need things like electric boots or seats. I know one parent that needs room to lay there child flat for emergency life saving treatment. Wheelchairs and adaptions are sometimes vehicle specific. People that are too ill to work rarely qualify for private finance. What is actually ludicrous, is that you can't see that disabled people might have complex needs... they also pay for their vehicles!

The three year swap over is good thing for those of us (non-motability) drivers. It means there are plenty of three year old cars around that have been well looked after and serviced etc. as opposed to three year old ex-company cars with high mileage.
People with disabilities need reliable vehicles - not something that will break down

You do realise that disabled people also pay tax, right? Disabled people who work? You understand that most disabled people work, surely? PIP isn’t an out of work benefit. And that the motability scheme is a vehicle lease scheme that disabled people PAY for, and they don’t just hand out free cars?
There are some proper idiots here, there really are. I wonder how they manage to get up in the morning sometimes.

Because they are the latest in a line of a group of people, to pin the problems of the UK on.

Where is the stat about 1 in 4 cars being for people with ADHD?

The cars are not free. They are on lease. They are never owned.

If you remove the cars from PIP claimants then it would not save the 'tax payer' any money. Those people would still get the mobility element of PIP. They just would not be swapping it for a car.

Also, the people I know who have a car via the Motability scheme do work, and would not be able to work if they were not on PIP and have their cars (which have been adapted to suit their needs).

I wish people would educate themselves before spouting bullshit.

I mean lots of disabled people are also ‘the taxpayer’, aside from that, if people with HRM didn’t choose a car, the cost to the tax payer doesn’t change as they would be paid the mobility element to themselves.

You can insure anyone. They don't have to be within 15 minutes. I frequently chop and change the drivers on my (my son's) car. One of the drivers lives bloody miles away but still comes over and drives my son around.

They are using their benefits to lease a car, many pay over and above this in advance payments. It’s not subsidised.

The figures re fraud are official figures, not merely my opinion. Your ableism is shocking.

But there must be something wrong if around 20% of new car sales are in fat through the mobility scheme.

That's a lot of new cars funded by the tax payers....

How are they a cost to the tax payer?

I have a choice to receive PIP or have it taken off me to pay for a lease on a car I will never own.

If I want a better car then I have to pay a 'deposit' which isn't a deposit because I don't get it back.

The adaptions cost a fortune.

OP

Every disability is different, not all cars are suitable for different disabilities.

Do you remember the old blue mobility cars? The ones that only one person could get in to because it was for the disabled person and no one else. SO you couldn't take your children to school. You couldn't have a carer go with you to the supermarket.

It was cruel, motability was brought in to right that wrong.

They are never a 'perk' and there are restrictions on their use. I can only insure another person if they live within 15 mins of me.

That means if I wanted to take a trip to, lets say France, with my dad(also entitled to PIP) only one of us could drive the entire journey.

Disabled car owners shouldn’t be restricted to any make or model, as long as they pay for more than basic. I’d incentivise UK made cars with lowee upfront payments. There is massive road tax fraud among disabled car owners - only cars that are driven soley by or used only for the direct benefit of the disabled person qualify but I know this is regularly ignored.

Ah yes, of course disabled people shouldn’t be allowed to have the same choices as everyone else.

Shush now with being so silly. I bet you think it’s a free car too, don’t you?

Disability benefits, including the enhanced mobility component of PIP and high rate mobility DLA, are based on needs, not diagnosis. The vast majority of people with ADHD will not be eligible for enhanced mobility/HRM. For example, with PIP, in order to be eligible for the motability scheme you have to be in receipt of the enhanced mobility competent. So you have to score 12 or more points. There are 2 mobility activities. One is moving around and the other planning and following a journey. Someone with ADHD alone won’t score under the former. Some may score some points under the planning and following a journey activity. In order to score 12 points under that, you have to prove you cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, an assistance dog or an orientation aid. Many with ADHD alone will not be able to prove that. The rules are different for DLA, but the same principle applies.

They aren’t free!

Around 50% of disabled people in the uk are in employment. Schemes like Mobility are to support disabled people with their independence and perhaps try and make life a little easier for them. What’s wrong with that?

Mini? Hardly ideal to accommodate my electric wheelchair

Oh God. It is just pathetic to see people falling for this shit.

People are directing their anger towards the wrong target, but are too blinded by resentment and spite to see that. It must feel horrible to live that way.

And they aren't free. The car takes up all the Motability allowance plus if you get anything fancy, you have to pay extra. I usually budget about 3-4k for my advance payment and then keep 3-5 years. I kept my BMW for 5 years.

ADHD? I think that's unlikely unless very extreme?

My son gets it for being autistic. I don't call it 'neurodivergent'. He's autistic and seriously so. He cannot go anywhere on his own.

Anyone who thinks we should have a sign on the car can fuck right off. Our lives are hard enough already.

I agree with the above. But the part I think Reeves is getting at is Motability claim back the 20% VAT on the purchase of the car so over the tens of thousands of cars bought through the scheme, it adds up to a lot of lost revenue to the Government. Disabled people can claim back all the VAT on a number of things which are purchased to assist with their health issues but because cars costs more, they have the biggest impact by far

The fact that in every 4 cars is now notability with taxpayers funding cars for people with ADHD just shows you far this madness has gone.

And what possible justification is there for giving out free BMWs and Mercedes, and Audis. It’s absolutely scandalous.

Working for a living and paying your own way is now a mug’s game. Why bother when you can everything for free.