Motability cars - should they be UK made?

Quite honestly if my son lost his Motability car the knock on effect would be awful for him and we’d have to make significant changes to mitigate that.
Firstjy it’s his access with the outside world and without it he would have a smaller life.
Secondly it would mean to get him out we’d rely on my husband’s vehicle. This in effect would remove my transport to work, I’d have to leave my job for something closer and likely less well paying,

For a country that is supposed to be plagued by productivity woes, the potential being pissed away with poor provision for the less able is criminal.

While I do agree that some of the posts about disabled people that are allowed to stand are abhorrent, I have seen other groups of people regularly disparaged on MN also. So many toxic posts, which MN will tell posters to challenge, rather than remove. Certain posters whose usernames crop up again, and again on certain subjects, spewing their hate around the site, I know which threads now to avoid when the hate gets too much.

Quite honestly if my son lost his Motability car the knock on effect would be awful for him and we’d have to make significant changes to mitigate that.
Firstjy it’s his access with the outside world and without it he would have a smaller life.
Secondly it would mean to get him out we’d rely on my husband’s vehicle. This in effect would remove my transport to work, I’d have to leave my job for something closer and likely less well paying,

Okay none of this is the end of the world until you consider I am the breadwinner. I pay the bills my husband provides the care our son needs. We would be poorer and likely have to claim benefit top ups . We’d survive…we always do,

Oh and should Keni Badenoch be reading….nobody gets Motability vehicles for ADHD alone as you bloody well know so STOP with that rhetoric. My son has Level 2 autism, he is learning disabled, he also has ADHD so it goes on his application but that is NOT the reason he reaches the Mobility higher rate threshold. ADHD alone would be a bloody dream and mean he could likely work as his intellectual capabilities would not be impaired. Silly woman:

While it may not be possible or even desirable to shut down every thread that may offend people, MN has moderators for a reason and they can, and do, delete posts which are considered to contravene community guidelines on discriminatory language and hate speech.
My point is that the MN threshold for actually removing disturbing and offensive content about disabled people is so absurdly high they allow the most reprehensible slurs and suggestions about disabled people to remain unmoderated and brush off any reports they receive. I would hope that they wouldn't take this laisser-faire approach to blatant and unapologetic hate speech aimed at other groups, but it seems perfectly acceptable when only disabled people are the targets.
In case you think I am hyperbolic and at the risk of sounding like a broken record, MN has continued to allow this thread, which advocates for the forced removal of disabled children from their families and their incarceration in state run institutions in the name of saving the government money on DLA and carer's allowance, to remain unmoderated, despite multiple reports from concerned members. If a thread advocating the forced segregation and detention of all disabled people, including children, is not deemed unacceptable then it is all to apparent that the MN authorities consider extreme ableist hate to be just fine. The situation on here is so dire that I doubt that even a post going full eugenics advocating the compelled sterilising or termination of disabled people would be deleted at this point.
If you wonder what the harm in leaving even a thread as toxic as the one I am linking to could possibly be, may I advise you to read the comments, if you have the stomach for it, in which similarly-minded posters, emboldened by the OP's revolting original post, gleefully chime in with their own abhorrent thoughts, including suggesting that spending any money on the care and education of disabled children is wasteful because they will never be able to contribute financially to society and are therefore worthless and other comments revelling in the imminent starvation and death of disabled people when the welfare state inevitably collapses.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5416801-to-think-were-returning-to-a-time-of-institutional-welfare

I don’t think it needs reporting. I hope people reading it, learn something.

you can’t shut down everyone or every thread that offends people. There’d be nothing left!

Lots of people have taken the time to describe the difficulties that their family has.
They shouldn't have to.
However, I've learnt something from reading the thread and I'm sure people who read but don't post will learn something about how disabilities affect people that they hadn't considered before.
I'm glad Mumsnet is leaving it.
It's a minority that have made ignorant and arrogant posts.

I reported this thread yesterday and was told by MNHQ all is fine. I despair.

Of course they are a lot people are very uneducated about mental illness and think it just consists of anxiety and depression, and mild and that

Best hope you don't get made redundant and find the new job doesn't offer it.

I think all the anecdotes of people getting XYZ due to anxiety are highly exaggerated and need to be taken with a pinch of salt. As I've learnt on here there's a strict assesment process to get awarded PIP and disability benefits.

W T A F?????

being disabled is expensive. It’s the things you don’t realise that add up.

I needed to change my car earlier this year. It is just me and DS so we should be able to just get a small runaround. But we need to be able to fit his wheelchair and other equipment is so I had to pay more to get a decent car that is big enough for what he needs.

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To be fair. If you were talking about asylum seekers, then some of them would magically give a toss about British disabled/homeless people. It's a continually moving target.

But able bodied people have the opportunity to change things.Many disabled people don’t have that luxury. That comment alone tells me you don’t understand the most basic differences between disability and non disability.

Yep.

What free car?

Well you've got subscribers. And we know there are people who'd rather pay £x a month to spew hate than 1/10£x to actually help anyone.

But also the advertisers.

As a real life example, whenever we have been assessed by wheelchair services, we've been offered a chair with wheels that were too far offset to comfortably push any sort of distance, risking shoulder wear and tear and injury and at the same time being a fraction too wide to fit through one of our doorways. It's tough though as they was that was sourced in bulk so that's as good as it gets! A complete waste of money from the taxpayers point of view because it is expensive and not fit for purpose.

Wheelchair services SOP (and I have my doubts about the "O" bit) is: here's what we have.

That's it.

I probably won't win any friends across the UK, but you can get a Personal Wheelchair Budget to go towards one that actually suits your needs. But it will be capped at the cost of whatever they tried to palm you off with.

Plus if needed, pay for new adaptations. In our case a wheelchair lift that is about 7k when it wears out plus £1000 to fit it, plus the cost of hand controls and fitting.

The car would go back on the market without the additions as someone pointed out, because they would have been removed.

That's true, I hadn't thought about that. Presumably some kinds of hate speech are more lucrative than others, I would hate for MN to upset and potentially alienate some of their ableist sponsors in the name of protecting a few whinging disabled scroungers who MN probably quite rightly think the site would be better off without!

On the flip side if someone had to accept a car that didn't meet their needs them it's a futile waste of money. There's no point giving someone who requires a wheelchair lift that weighs 950kg a 1l ford fiesta that it won't fit on and the engine will wear out trying to get anywhere!

As a real life example, whenever we have been assessed by wheelchair services, we've been offered a chair with wheels that were too far offset to comfortably push any sort of distance, risking shoulder wear and tear and injury and at the same time being a fraction too wide to fit through one of our doorways. It's tough though as they was that was sourced in bulk so that's as good as it gets! A complete waste of money from the taxpayers point of view because it is expensive and not fit for purpose.

You're being unfair on MNHQ - they have to pay the bills too. It's not like they are enabling hate speech for free.

No, nor the MN mods who allow countless hate-filled threads about disabled people, like this one, to pop up on here every single day and allow them to flourish completely unchecked. I know I'm shouting into the void but someone needs to keep countering this blatant hate speech and holding the MN authorities to account for their tolerance and therefore tacit approval of outright hate aimed at disabled people.

Do you really think the OP and their ilk give a toss ?

How exactly would your foolproof plan work for someone like me who has been severely physically disabled since birth, born without eyeballs and with multiple joint deformities. I'm interested in how you suggest an unborn baby could get the relevant insurance? Are there many policies that would insure a fetus against the risk of being born disabled and who exactly should pay the premium do you think.
While I have life insurance, at a high premium due to my disability, no insurer is willing to offer me critical illness cover due to my pre-existing conditions. where does your easy, universally applicable suggestion get those of us who are uninsurable in the event that our health worsens further making it impossible to work?
I am fortunate to be able to work. A need a great deal of equipment, adaptive technology, help from carers and PAS and a very supportive and flexible employer to allow me to remain in employment, most people with my level of disability are not so fortunate. Without PIP I would be unable to work as the equipment and support I pay for with PIP and which allows me to function from day to day and actually get to work and perform while there would be unaffordable. My PIP already fails to cover all of the costs due to my disability which I subsidise with my salary meaning I am, in fact, considerably worse off than a non disabled person doing the same job.
It's ignorant, ill-informed bigots like you with their stupid glib suggestions and "I'm all right Jack" attitudes that make me despair.