Motability cars - should they be UK made?

Well if we had your concept right now, I would not have a vehicle I can get my chair in - the car I have is manufactured in France. There is no other vehicle on the scheme that will take my chair.

So you would also need the UK to manufacture more cars, more models of cars -how would you make that happen?

The reality is, you wouldn't, it wouldn't happen.

Currently the Motability scheme is responsible for 20% of all new car sales in the UK. And you think that cutting that number would improve the UKs economy?

Have you actually read the thread? We have explained that people have very specific requirements, depending on their needs. Bulk bought cars would not suit a lot of these needs. Why punish people? Why not let them choose a car?

I’ve paid tax for 36 years, why am I not entitled to get a vehicle I can get my daughter in to in her wheelchair?!

I imagine they will scrap the triple lock first.
I don't see how they can scrap UC as that would leave millions homeless and without the basics to live off. They are already halving the LCWRA element form April for new claimants.
I guess child benefit could go.
They will make PIP harder to get.
There's no easy answers really are there?

@yellowspanner
Has someone dropped a spanner on your head? Do you actually have the vaguest idea of what you are talking about?
The basic comprehension skills are so lacking-
a charity funds leasing cars.
Thats what you and others are whinging about.

If a charity offered you clothing or shoes or food - but you would pay over the odds to have those items because there no other fucking way for you to get them either because you don’t have the immediate capital or because your needs are so specific that you couldn’t get those things elsewhere you have the choice not to engage or you take it up. If this charity was then described as abuse of taxpayer money you’d see the issue more clearly.

For those who don’t understand very well - Motability is a charity that agrees that DWP funds are taken directly from DWP and do not go to the recipient so that the otherwise recipient can drive or have access to a car. That car might have to be a several tonne vehicle to have hoists or ramps or whatever or extra side doors but it’s not - for the fucking numpties who cannot or will not get it - a car paid for by taxpayers and given out for nothing to the recipients any more than your universal credit mate’s beers and fags are. Simple?

@yellowspanner try reading the comments in the thread and you will understand why that won't work and that your understanding of the Motability Scheme is totally wrong.

Why?

I get the same amount of PIP for mobility whether I use it to pay for the Citroen Spacetourer sat outside my house now or a Toyota Yaris.

The difference is of course I can get my wheelchair in the Spacetourer, and not in the Yaris.

What actual difference does it make to you? The sum of money is the same. The up front advance fee either I pay for, or I apply to a charity for a grant for.

At the time of ordering my car, the only vehicle my chair will fit in is the Spacetourer, which is made in France.

So your idea would save you nothing at all but would deny me a car I can get my wheelchair in.

Be honest eh, you want to punish disabled people for existing don't you. The idea that they're getting something subsidised by a charity, with a benefit the taxpayer (and I am a taxpayer myself remember...) contributes to, really squeezes your pips.

@Harriet9955
well before the apocalypse.. sorry the “whole benefits system collapses” I would expect that the government would eradicate ..

universal credit - over £50 billion on that in 2023/2023.and -
State pensions - same period £124 billion.
DLA less than £7 billion.
Pip £21 billion.

then there’s Defence £53 billion
Education £116 billion

Which part of that spending do you think would go first.. and why

No one on here knows you personally. People are just disgusted by the opinions you are expressing.

Notability cars should be from a limited range of basic UK made cars bought in bulk. Yes I can choose to have a car build anywhere but the difference is I am paying for it myself.
The tax payer ie me and others like me is paying for motability cars so let's get real and offer a limited basic model suitable for the disabled person

I'm actually loving the idea of older people whizzing round in a Trans Am or something 🤣🤣

The whole benefit system could collapse and people would get nothing . This is why I strongly believe the system has to be reformed before it's too late.

Yes, and the people who countless posters on these threads always claim to know who are claiming PIP fraudulently and then apparently gleefully gloating in detail about it to all and sundry are almost certainly all figments of their fevered imagination too. The truth has never stopped these obsessive posters from building ridiculous strawmen to burn in the name of demonising all disabled people as devious, deceitful scroungers!

"Ah but you don't, do you? Because motability works out cheaper"

Ds has a motability car because it means you can have any driver insurance for all the carers he now has It's either impossible or extortionate to get the insurance any other way.

It's rubbish anyway.

Sports cars are not available on Motability and weren't 15 years ago either when pp claims it happened.

Not all disabled people are elderly? Retirement age people who get PIP must have qualified before Retirement age. Older people are allowed to like fast cars. If they are entitled to PIP and have the money for an AP let them spend their own money however they want.

Mercedes doors actually open really wide. Which is helpful if you are someone who needs equipment to transfer into a car. Have you ever seen someone using equipment to transfer someone into a car? They also have quite big boots in their SUVs that can accommodate a lot of equipment. If you can get away with a Merc vs a WAV you are saving a lot. A lot of your own money or the Motability charity money BTW.

For those of you who don’t trust MN people commenting- here’s Wikipedia (for those who trust that) on what Motability is:

The organisational structure of the scheme can be broken into two parts: Motability, which is a registered charity,[17] and Motability Operations (formerly Motability Finance Ltd), a public limited company owned by four clearing banks which operates the car and powered wheelchair leasing scheme on behalf of Motability. Splitting the organisation is intended to provide for checks and balances and ensure accountability for the administration of public funds.

@Peridoteage
Wby do you call it “state funded”? You know Motability isn’t government owned, right?
You know it’s a charity, right?

I don’t because I can’t, not because motability works out cheaper.

Some people just don’t get that it’s no different than us going out and spending our PIP on a leased car elsewhere!

Ah but you don't, do you? Because motability works out cheaper. No one would be stopping anyone going and using their pip on a leased car elsewhere. They are saying that motability essentially have a state funded monopoly that means they can command huge discounts, so why not require that to in turn fund cars manufactured here?

True. I would not even have a motability car if I were able to use my HRM to lease a car elsewhere but unfortunately I cannot get the finance approved so motability is the most suitable option. I also don’t want to renew my car after 3 years I would happily keep it longer but there is no extension available now with motability unless you fit very tight criteria which I don’t. It makes no odds to anyone on this thread if I use motability or lease through a dealer so I’m not sure why you all care so much. The money I get for my HRM would fund a car either way.

They are if they can't afford them. The idea that everyone non-disabled has free choice is ludicrous.
No one forces anyone to have a motability car. If a limited, functional range isn't to the users liking they're perfectly free to decline the option and source their ideal car from elsewhere.

This. Its essentially a taxpayer subsidised car scheme, the vast purchasing power motability have. Anyone who doesn't like the choice could choose to get one elsewhere at market prices using their pip money.

It is keeping very few people in work given the low proportion of pip claimants who work.

Are you surprised? Seriously? I suspect hour ND may be the cause of some black and white thinking, but you’re very ableist.