Page 4 | AIBU to think this BBC headline is misleadingre Andrew Windsor ? ?

Ukisgaslit · 2025-10-18T07:35:35+00:00

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgw31y75ywt https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgw31y75ywt]] Andrew has not given up anything . His own ( I doubt the wrote it ) statement says he will not use his ‘titles’ .He still has them Charles and William dare not touch Andrew in case Andrew reveals all about the rest of them - plus they no doubt see nothing wrong- what’s another used and abused peasant to them ? But another woman linked to the Windsors has died, Virginia Giuffre, and her book is released next week . So the Windsors need to throw a bone to the public and make it look like they have done something . They have done precisely nothing . It’s hot air . Is the BBC helping to prop up the Windsor grift ? The article does say Andrew doesn’t ‘use’ his HRH - but he still has it . So they must know this nonsense re ‘giving up’ a title is not the whole story . Why not make it clear to the reader ?

stackhead · 18/10/2025 11:33

The removal of his titles can only be done by Parliament, and they have a few other things on their mind right now...

SideshowItchy · 18/10/2025 11:33

Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 09:03

@Anyoldsalad

He hasn’t given up anything

You have been successfully misled by Windsor inc

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What do you mean?

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Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 11:31

Catsknowbest · 18/10/2025 11:08

I'll think you'll find Fergie is the more p*ssed that she can no longer call herself Duchess. Regardless of the ins and outs, he hasn't "given up" anything. Charles and William have told him that's what's going to happen regardless of how his public statement is worded. Hopefully once William becomes King he'll be quietly exiled as well.

By which mechanism would Willaim exile Andrew ?

He doesn’t have the power nor , more importantly , the will.
William was happy to be photographed driving Andrew around while the Epstein scandal was still all over the news - Kate grinning away in the back
At the Duchess of Kent’s funeral Andrew was joshing away with Willaim , perplexed as to why Willaim wasn’t responding as he no doubt usually does . William then spoke to Andrew with his hand covering his mouth - ie shut up uncle Andy the cameras are on me

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PinkPanther57 · 18/10/2025 11:28

SomeConstellation · 18/10/2025 11:13

To your last point — I know a lot of insanely rich people. Some of them are good parents. Two of the nicest, most public-spirited and together teenagers I know grew up with unimaginable ‘racehorses and incredible yachts’-type wealth, but loving, boundaried, involved parenting.

On the other hand, I can think of other children of freakishly wealthy people who will struggle. In one case because their father is a tax exile and is currently shopping about for which of Liechtenstein/Andorra/Monaco etc suits him best to be based in, but the children will live somewhere else entirely with their not too stable mother and a fleet of nannies. In another because insanely wealthy dad is famous, famously awful, and a hard act to follow. Huge wealth, an Oedipus complex and a weak sense of self aren’t necessarily a good combination.

In Andrew’s case, I imagine it’s a combination of an extreme form of UC absent parenting, mediated via layers of staff and being sent to a distant boarding school as soon as practicable, plus the added complication of being the ‘spare’, as much as the wealth. The wheels stayed on while he was a dashing young pilot with a deferential press, but he had an image problem long before his friendship with a high-profile sex criminal whose under-age human wares he availed himself of, became known.

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Brilliant analysis. IMO he’s also a sex addict & a good part of that responsibility lies with whomever thought a jolly jape to send him to a brothel at 11.

SomeConstellation · 18/10/2025 11:13

Pleasealexa · 18/10/2025 10:46

He has lost many privileges so whilst to us, normal people, he appears to be ok, within his now small circle it's quite a status drop so it will hurt (hopefully quite a lot!)

Whatever anyone wishes he wasn't going to end up penniless living in a council flat so keeping him hidden from public, is the best they can do. He has his own money from inheritance so they can't take that from him.

Andrew (like Harry) isn't too smart and lacks insight. He didn't realise the world had changed and didn't understand the implications of social media or even ability of people to access his emails. You can be arrogant or stupid but in his case he was both.

I don't think the Royal Family are unique in not parenting children well - you see it amongst very wealthy families across the world, how do you make children become good citizens when they have grown up around such wealth and privilege.

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To your last point — I know a lot of insanely rich people. Some of them are good parents. Two of the nicest, most public-spirited and together teenagers I know grew up with unimaginable ‘racehorses and incredible yachts’-type wealth, but loving, boundaried, involved parenting.

On the other hand, I can think of other children of freakishly wealthy people who will struggle. In one case because their father is a tax exile and is currently shopping about for which of Liechtenstein/Andorra/Monaco etc suits him best to be based in, but the children will live somewhere else entirely with their not too stable mother and a fleet of nannies. In another because insanely wealthy dad is famous, famously awful, and a hard act to follow. Huge wealth, an Oedipus complex and a weak sense of self aren’t necessarily a good combination.

In Andrew’s case, I imagine it’s a combination of an extreme form of UC absent parenting, mediated via layers of staff and being sent to a distant boarding school as soon as practicable, plus the added complication of being the ‘spare’, as much as the wealth. The wheels stayed on while he was a dashing young pilot with a deferential press, but he had an image problem long before his friendship with a high-profile sex criminal whose under-age human wares he availed himself of, became known.

Catsknowbest · 18/10/2025 11:08

I'll think you'll find Fergie is the more p*ssed that she can no longer call herself Duchess. Regardless of the ins and outs, he hasn't "given up" anything. Charles and William have told him that's what's going to happen regardless of how his public statement is worded. Hopefully once William becomes King he'll be quietly exiled as well.

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Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 11:03

Ratafia · 18/10/2025 10:51

Meh. So technically the headline should have said that he had given up the use of his titles. Would it make that much difference? The facts are in the report.

I think it does matter

Many people just glance at a headline

More importantly a victims campaigner thinks that strong action has been taken , when is hasn’t

That matters .

The PR hope was that most people would see ‘stripped’ and believe the Windsors have finally done something . They haven’t .
The media should be clearer and I hope the campaigner understands that Andrew still has all his titles ( is he still a councillor of state ?? )

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waltzingparrot · 18/10/2025 10:52

I presumed this is the BBC announcing that they won't be using any of his titles across their platforms going forward. They'll have to refer to him as Prince Andrew though.

Ratafia · 18/10/2025 10:51

Meh. So technically the headline should have said that he had given up the use of his titles. Would it make that much difference? The facts are in the report.

Whammyyammy · 18/10/2025 10:48

Andrew and Sarah Ferguson should rightly not hold anymore titles.

I hope the days of a royal family in the uk are nearly over.

Pleasealexa · 18/10/2025 10:46

HeadNorth · 18/10/2025 09:58

He’s keeping all his money & privileges & I bet he still makes the servants call him HRH. You are right OP, this is a bone thrown to the masses.

They are all a pretty grim lot - I don’t blame H&M for getting the hell out (though probably cut from the same cloth). I suspect the reality of that fucked up family is far worse than we’ll ever be allowed to know.

He has lost many privileges so whilst to us, normal people, he appears to be ok, within his now small circle it's quite a status drop so it will hurt (hopefully quite a lot!)

Whatever anyone wishes he wasn't going to end up penniless living in a council flat so keeping him hidden from public, is the best they can do. He has his own money from inheritance so they can't take that from him.

Andrew (like Harry) isn't too smart and lacks insight. He didn't realise the world had changed and didn't understand the implications of social media or even ability of people to access his emails. You can be arrogant or stupid but in his case he was both.

I don't think the Royal Family are unique in not parenting children well - you see it amongst very wealthy families across the world, how do you make children become good citizens when they have grown up around such wealth and privilege.

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Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 10:41

@ProfoundlyPeculiarAndWeird

As other posters have pointed out , Andrew has not been ‘jettisoned ‘

Nothing has changed for Andrew .

This is PR puffery and you’ve fallen for it.

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Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 10:39

No the headlines are NOT clear
A victims campaigner thinks Andrew has had his titles removed - no doubt she thinks this because of the use of ‘stripped’
The headline is misleading

Andrew hasn’t had anything stripped . He still has his titles .

’Andrew says he won’t use the title he still has’ - this is the truth but doesn’t have the same impact does it ??

What is in Virginia’s book that has caused another PR panic for the Windsors

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AffableApple · 18/10/2025 10:33

Erm, so it is clear. The correct terminology has been used.

It's clear that Andrew is, to use the right parlance, utterly fucked.

ProfoundlyPeculiarAndWeird · 18/10/2025 10:26

Ack, it's clear enough. When something happens "after discussions with a king" the clear message is that the king has at the very least made a suggestion that you can't refuse to take up. I'm sure there is all sorts of face saving wording that the BBC has carried over,

Who cares? So long as he is jettisoned they can use what words they like.

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Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 10:22

This was what I remembered re Angela Raynor expressing something:

It’s from the Evening standard

‘Angela Rayner called Prince Andrew a ‘nonce’ and tried to block him from standing in for King Charles, book claims
The deputy prime minister reportedly fought a behind-the-scenes battle to curb the Duke of York’s influence’

Thank you Angela

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Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 10:20

Protocol is made up bullshit used and abused as and when it helps the royals

As for the cabinet who knows what they think?

I doubt they’d fight for Andrew . Though I do remember Angela Raynor expressing something re the royals and she was slapped down ( I need to check that )

The constitution argument is more obfuscation and derailment . They got rid of the nazi king fast when it suited them

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Kingoftheroad · 18/10/2025 10:17

Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 09:40

And the only action the Windsors need to take is to stop protecting Andrew and allow police questioning .

But of course they won’t .

To be fair they also have to abide by ‘protocol. Parliament, the cabinet, courtiers etc will all be trying to protest the ‘constitution’ and the Monarchy.

This cretinous creature has been protected (probably by his Mother) for his entire overly privileged life and as the Queen isn’t around to do it now, his behaviour has come back to haunt him.

Personally, I would like to see him exiled to another country along with his ex wife. He will be financially able to support himself on the money left to him by the Queen

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Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 10:17

I do think the media has questions to answer here .
Headlines with ‘Andrew stripped of titles ‘ are misleading , whether deliberately so or not

We now see an Epstein victim believes strong action has been taken against Andrew and that is just not the case . It is a disgrace that she is deceived in this way . Has the truth of the situation been clarified to her ? It needs to be
The headlines should say ‘ Andrew agrees not to use title that he still holds ‘
Not quite the same impact tho is there ?

That’s what has annoyed me . A campaigner for victims has been misled - just as the Windsors hoped

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Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 10:00

HeadNorth · 18/10/2025 09:58

He’s keeping all his money & privileges & I bet he still makes the servants call him HRH. You are right OP, this is a bone thrown to the masses.

They are all a pretty grim lot - I don’t blame H&M for getting the hell out (though probably cut from the same cloth). I suspect the reality of that fucked up family is far worse than we’ll ever be allowed to know.

I agree with every word you have written there

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HeadNorth · 18/10/2025 09:58

He’s keeping all his money & privileges & I bet he still makes the servants call him HRH. You are right OP, this is a bone thrown to the masses.

They are all a pretty grim lot - I don’t blame H&M for getting the hell out (though probably cut from the same cloth). I suspect the reality of that fucked up family is far worse than we’ll ever be allowed to know.

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Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 09:53

JacknDiane · 18/10/2025 09:12

I completely agree with you @Ukisgaslit. This is to make Charles and William look good, and decisive. As if. The royal family look after their own. I notice the queen Elizabeth is now being blamed for Andrew's behaviour. Handy now she's dead.
Nothing has changed, he's still a prince living in luxury.

Thank you .

Yes I’ve noticed that once dead , former ‘royals’ can be happily thrown under the bus / truth revealed .

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Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 09:44

@MrJollyLivesNextDoor

And btw - you are inventing scenarios . We have no idea if Charles or William had anything to do with this at all .
William was happy enough to drive him about etc .Willaim does next to nothing in any case .
Charles has done nothing for all we know - maybe he has even been arguing against even this weak move / smoke and mirrors

All we know is a statement was put out saying Andrew will not ‘use’ one of his titles .
He still has his title

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Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 09:40

And the only action the Windsors need to take is to stop protecting Andrew and allow police questioning .

But of course they won’t .

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Ukisgaslit · 18/10/2025 09:39

@MrJollyLivesNextDoor

Im sorry but intents and purposes are not the truth
Readers clearly think Andrew has been ‘stripped ‘ of his titles ! He hasn’t been
Please can the media make this clear .

That is my point

Never mind us - an Epstein victim is pleased because she thinks action has been taken ! It hasn’t been - it’s more Windsor lies and PR bullshit

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