Is anyone else planning to leave the UK?

@Papyrophile I would be interested to hear what you think?

Nowhere is utopia. Why would we (I feel the same) not try to improve our world? However, I would be very wary of making a frank proposal of what I think needs to change on MN.

Isn’t it difficult to just move to another country though? Don’t you have to have a skill/savings etc to go to most places? Me and DH played around with the idea of moving to Canada a few years ago. DH has some family who moved there years ago, and when we visited, we loved it. Unfortunately though we didn’t make the cut - didn’t have enough points between us to meet the criteria. We also had a year in South Africa where my husband was with his job, and would have liked to have stayed longer, but it coincided with a change in employment over there where the black South Africans were to be prioritised for jobs (and rightly so) so we couldn’t get an extension to stay. I think it’s quite difficult to move abroad unless you have a very needed skill set.

Interesting. How do you feel it’s improved?

Healthcare?
Crime?
Housing?
Immigration?

@SeaAndStars in a nutshell. I think some people's expectations are crazy. Maybe it's because I'm older, but the UK has improved a lot since I was young!

"Everything we gain, earn or get is taxed"
That has pretty much always been the case.

"and we are not seeing the benfit we would expect from it."
What benefits are you expecting?

"We have a government that is not representing all of us."
When did we last have a government that represented all of us?

I quite fancy Portugal. The visa is less expensive. We have a place in another European country but the non lucrative visa price is huge - so that’s out.

No not at all. I would miss the beautiful countryside. I had the chance to leave 30 years ago and the train journey from Manchester airport to Yorkshire in January made me stay.
I love the drab winter scene I love the emerging spring, the heavy summer garden and Autumn is stunning. I was in my element last week looking at all the beautiful colours driving through the Cotswolds.

How old are the DC that don't want to go?

Also, what is a "snowflake" existence?

I'm not going anywhere. The only place I'd actually like to go is America and I don't have any skills they need. I do wish I tried earlier in life.

I have an elderly mother that I wouldn't leave, but at the moment I don't want to leave anyway. I'm thoroughly pissed off but I don't know if the things I'm pissed off about are as bad or worse in other countries.

I would consider it, but not sure where I would go. Everywhere seems to be just a different flavour of shit, so what would be the point.

There’s a lot good about living here, I do like it, but I don’t like how the future is shaping up politically and I’d love to escape that. Sadly I think it’s going to be a global problem and I’ve yet to find somewhere I’d like to live that’s untouched by it.

I'm keen on Jersey......

I'd leave if I could. Not in a position'. Living in the UK stinks now

Ok, well I'm very sorry to hear that you feel unsafe, that's terrible. I hope it works out for you 🤞

We’re moving to New Zealand, which while not perfect (nowhere is) we are looking forward to a new start.

The UK is small and very well located in temperature.

Our climate is a major plus

Oh sorry! I completely misunderstood! 😃
Where would you move to?

Moving in the new year, not New York

In what ways do you think that NY would be safer than the UK?

We’re in the process of moving in the NY due to a work opportunity for dh, theres many things about the UK we love but have had things that have made us feel unsafe and just wanting to try something different.

I think we might have moved, partly for tax but more for weather, five years ago but we have a business with employees that we want to see sorted and taking the company forward. I speak French and (increasingly) Spanish quite decently. Since then, we have had three very hot summers out of the last five, and DH cannot spend more than a few minutes in full sun now. So no move is likely.

The UK is small and very well located in temperature. Rarely freezes its population in winter, and only has a few days above uncomfortably hot in summer. Sorry about the rain, but it makes the UK one of the best countries in the world to raise high quality livestock/meat. Not relevant if you are vegan of course, but actually, the UK is nearly perfect. Climatically only New Zealand is equally agreable as a place to live.

You need to tell us where you are planning on moving/ which country you consider to be better than the UK. In terms of tax and " current affairs".

This would show everyone what your real issues are. If you cant say I think you are a Reform troll.

Edited: France - good luck if you dont speak French like a native. Portugal - I have Portuguese friends living in London who cant move back as there is no work... US and Australia - erm, how are these are better than the UK? US especially.

I am genuinely very sorry to hear this. No minority group should feel so threatened in their own country. I hope you and your family keep safe.

This. We have savings started and intend to move if reform gets in. Would otherwise never consider moving but knowing we have the option to leave if those clowns are in charge gives me some comfort

Taxes aren’t the issue.
Things like spontaneous “free Palestine” celebrations when people are murdered are the issue.

When are you actually moving?

I only ask because I recall you saying it for a long time now... certain user names n all.

Such a big move.