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Ex wants to take DD (4) to Jamaica

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Butterfly789 · 16/10/2025 18:40

Hi, would be grateful to hear from anyone who has had any similar experiences:

My ex and I have a 3 year old. He walked out when she was 10 days old and since then I have been the primary caregiver. She sleeps over at his house every other weekend, and on the weeks she doesn’t sleep over, she just goes for the day on Saturday (hope this makes sense).

I have just had a call from his mom saying that they want to take her to Jamaica next August (she will be 4) to attend a family wedding.

I personally think she will be too young to go so far away, especially when she’s never even been abroad with him or spent more than 1 night with him. I have told him I would be more open to somewhere closer, like Spain for example.

AIBU?

OP posts:
tripleginandtonic · 16/10/2025 20:09

MajorMerrick · 16/10/2025 18:50

I don’t see an issue tbh, she’ll be with her father. Unless there’s something you’re not saying, will they bring her home?

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DontStopMeNowGoodTime · 16/10/2025 20:08

If you can go too (and he pays) that might make work. Otherwise without no. I wouldn't do it. I have a DC same age, she'd be lost without me for that long. Trust your gut OP.

Bedtimeread · 16/10/2025 20:08

Butterfly789 · 16/10/2025 18:52

Spain is not a 9 hour flight away and a completely different time zone. With Jamaica, there’s also the risk he might not bring her back or will stay longer than initially planned as it is his home country and has his own house there.

Based on this added information no I wouldn’t let her go without you also being there. Is there an option for you to holiday there and drop her off and pick up for the wedding?

Starterlocs · 16/10/2025 20:07

MrsToothyBitch · 16/10/2025 19:38

Absolutely not. Far too far away and far too long a trip given that she only spends every other weekend with one overnight with him when she's only 4.

I also wouldn't countenance my child being taken to a country where my partner had a home / could easily remain, particularly one which is so far away and not a Hague signatory. As pp have stated, if she doesn't have a passport yet, sort it now so it comes to you and keep any passport / docs under lock and key. Would she be entitled to and would he try to apply for a Jamaican passport for her? What could you do about that?

Where are you seeing that Jamaica is not a signatory?

Vaxtable · 16/10/2025 20:06

I would not be happy. Does she have a passport? If not I would order one tomorrow so you have it

CatsorDogsrule · 16/10/2025 20:04

Do you trust his mum? Does she and the close family live in the UK?

Most parental abductions that I am aware of involve a different religion to the mother, where the father takes the child to live with relatives of his religion. Would that be the case here? I assume not, and that the wider family are happy that the child, the father, and probably the grandmother all live in the UK.

A family wedding and trip to experience half of her heritage would be amazing for your child. I wouldn't want to prevent this due to random people's (possibly racist) opinions on MN.

If you trust the Grandmother, I have no doubt she and the family will do their utmost to keep the child safe and risk would be very low in regular, residential areas amongst family.

Goldeh · 16/10/2025 20:00

Don't offer to go with them, that just opens up a whole new can of worms. Travelling with your child may seem safer because you’re there but legally, it places both of you within his jurisdiction. He is a citizen with property and family ties, you are not so you might find he has more leverage and influence while yours is limited. He could refuses to let your child leave, withhold her passport, or start custody proceedings against you in the Jamaican courts, at which point you're fighting a legal battle within an unfamiliar system.

herbalteabag · 16/10/2025 19:52

I would be inclined to say no, she's too young right now. It doesn't sound as though you trust him enough to know if he will bring her back. He probably will, but it will be a lot of worry. Also, she is highly likely to miss you and not want to be away from you for such a long time, as she is very young and depending on her personality, meeting so many new people whilst being away from you may be too overwhelming.
I would either say no, or go as well.

No5ChalksRoad · 16/10/2025 19:51

I would not allow this for an eight-year-old let alone a four-year-old.

ScrollingLeaves · 16/10/2025 19:51

Newsenmum · 16/10/2025 19:37

Can you say it’s too long away from you? Id personally say no at that age. Unless
you go too.

Exactly. You go too or she cannot go.

Goldeh · 16/10/2025 19:50

You can apply to the court for a Prohibited Steps Order, it's around £260.

Your grounds would be:

  • your daughter is only 4 years old
  • your ex has never had her for extended periods or as the main caregiver
  • he only has limited contact
  • you are the primary caregiver and your daughter’s emotional security and routine are based around you
  • there is no justification that the trip would be in her best interests
  • he has property, family, and citizenship ties to Jamaica which are massive red flags in terms of abduction risk

Has he said or done anything specific that would suggest he might not return her?

Regardless, YANBU to say no on the grounds that it's not in her best interests to be so far away from you for an extended period of time.

ScrollingLeaves · 16/10/2025 19:49

She’d be away for much longer than a weekend (how long?!) in a completely strange place with no way of seeing you. It is ridiculous. It would cause her an emotional rupture.

Nopenott0day · 16/10/2025 19:49

I've just read the UK governments travel advice for Jamaica.

Not a chance would I allow my child to go there.

Spinaltapped · 16/10/2025 19:46

FourIsNewSix · 16/10/2025 19:11

What I meant is, if the risk is based only on the fact that he has a family and house there, it doesn't sound fair to preventively forbid it.
In that case no-one would be ever allowed to take children to visit their family abroad.

I think you'll find that in cases like this, mothers often refuse to allow their ex-partners to take their children back to their home country, due to the risk that they won't be brought home.

I've only heard of cases where the father takes the kids, sometimes out of spite, sometimes to ensure the child grows up with their fathers culture or religion, and always with the bonus that the father doesn't have to pay child support anymore, and it's likely far cheaper gor the child to be brough up by family members in the fathers home country.

There are cases of UK women who's children are in countries like Pakistan or Egypt, where even if there's a court order for the kids to be returned to the mother, the police say they can't find them. I would worry that something similar could happen in Jamaica.

I just wouldn't risk it.

ComfortFoodCafe · 16/10/2025 19:45

No, what if he doesnt bring her back?

MrsToothyBitch · 16/10/2025 19:38

Absolutely not. Far too far away and far too long a trip given that she only spends every other weekend with one overnight with him when she's only 4.

I also wouldn't countenance my child being taken to a country where my partner had a home / could easily remain, particularly one which is so far away and not a Hague signatory. As pp have stated, if she doesn't have a passport yet, sort it now so it comes to you and keep any passport / docs under lock and key. Would she be entitled to and would he try to apply for a Jamaican passport for her? What could you do about that?

Gruffporcupine · 16/10/2025 19:38

user1471497170 · 16/10/2025 19:35

I'm surprised at some of the advice on here. Absolutely not.. Jamaica is not a particularly safe country, you're her main carer giver, she's only four and it's too far. Just no

Same. I think you'd need to have a really unusually strong and trusting coparenting relationship for this to be acceptable

Newsenmum · 16/10/2025 19:37

Can you say it’s too long away from you? Id personally say no at that age. Unless
you go too.

user1471497170 · 16/10/2025 19:35

I'm surprised at some of the advice on here. Absolutely not.. Jamaica is not a particularly safe country, you're her main carer giver, she's only four and it's too far. Just no

Offloadontome · 16/10/2025 19:35

I'd let her go on the proviso she spends more time with dad in one go near home first, to see how she coped without you, her main care giver, for so long. X

EsmeSusanOgg · 16/10/2025 19:35

I would not be happy with this, unless I was also traveling.

ReplacementBusService · 16/10/2025 19:33

FourIsNewSix · 16/10/2025 19:11

What I meant is, if the risk is based only on the fact that he has a family and house there, it doesn't sound fair to preventively forbid it.
In that case no-one would be ever allowed to take children to visit their family abroad.

Fair enough. It's just you can prevent it if it really is a risk. If it's unlikely, that's a good start

Irritatedandsad · 16/10/2025 19:32

I don't see an issue if the father is a decent person and you don't think there is any risk of abduction and he has experience of having her for extended periods by himself. Is the family from Jamaica? If so there will be lots of extended family she can meet and I am sure they will dote on her.
We have done long haul flights with young kids its fine ( tiring) but fine.

Gruffporcupine · 16/10/2025 19:29

Absolutely not. Unless they want to pay for you to come as well, she would not be going

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