To find salary offered an insult?

I just find it sad and distressing. I work in a doctorate level profession at least 7 years training (usually more), they are crying out for educational psychologists.

In 2010 spine point 1 was 33,934
Spine point 11 (top of standard scale) was 50,243

We then had years of no pay rise or below inflation rises during austerity and got a princely 2.5 percent last year.

Now 15 years later spine point 1 is 43483 and spine point 11 is 63,394.

According to inflation calculators 50k in 2010 had equivalent buying power to 82k today.

So I have had a 7 percent salary increase in 15 years. So you'll excuse me thinking your opinion that a 20 percent payrise in one year for managing 3 people is an insult is pretty offensive.

I think I’ve been a civil servant for too long. Who manages people if not the grade above them? If you have one senior manager, four middle managers and 20 operational staff. The middle managers get 5 each and the senior manager gets 4.

Anyway the civil service expects quality line management with absence management, performance plans, mental health support, complex HR, stress assessments, development plans etc from people on £36k. In London.

What level are the staff (for example just below you, or junior staff)? And are the three in question easy to manage? Appreciate that you will be managing roles and the individuals can change, but we all know some are a joy to manage and some…less so

Try managing 25 people on £35K. That was what I was doing just 10 years ago. Education. This is bloody ridiculous.

No comment on the 'insulting' salary uplift that you have been offered, but, given your responses thus far, to those who have commented, you come across as rude, goading, insufferable and as though you are a superior being, too good to sully your hands with the 'chore' of managing staff. So, please, for the sake of those who may have to suffer you as their manager, say "no"...

After tax, your salary increase will be minuscule.

Salary over £100,000 will mean you lose your personal tax free allowance (along with childcare hours). So it’s an effective 60% tax you will be paying on that 20k.

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To people talking about the tax cliff edge, suspect OP will already be well over it with bonus anyways.

The offer is fair, and imo now is the time to pivot heavily into people leadership and push for promotion to roles driving strategy (which at least in my firm would be impossible without also having significantly sized teams, being at director level). Individual contributor stuff is getting replaced at an accelerating speed, especially in OP's industry as the financial services industry is investing heavily in agentic AI. So when next round of restructuring inevitably comes, it's not guaranteed that there'll be a job just to walk into. The job market is already getting tougher.

I wouldn't take it. Managing people well is such a time suck. It's not insulting though.

Bloody hell I manage 8 and don’t stop all day in a highly responsible and technical role and earn 44k. I’m in the wrong job!

While it looks great, I think the tax would really eat into the increase. Also Nb forthcoming budget end Nov.
I’d want the promoted role, personally, so I might ask for an increased holiday allowance perhaps? Untaxable and worth a great deal to me. But maybe not to you.

@Willowtree5 They’ve come back with an offer of £125,000 (current salary pre bonuses £105,000) which I find frankly insulting given the workload this would add.

Never change, mumsnet.

This is what I said a few hours ago but no response

I used to manage a team of 4 people and earnt £42k. Fuck off with your brag about how much you earn

If you're in London with nursery age kids, does your £105k salary mean you're effectively on less money than if you were on £99k? Or does the bonus make it worth it?

If you don't want to do it, does it matter how much they offer?

Only you can decide whether the extra money is worth the increase in workload or not.

Woe is you…
Get a fucking reality check

I manage 11 people and don’t even get half of that. You need to calm down

You might need if you live in London

God. I’m in HE. Team of about 30, and large budgetary responsibilities. Just over £55k. I’m in Edinburgh, which although isn’t London prices, houses are ridiculously expensive. For what it’s worth, the London weighting for my role would take the salary to around £60k.
Given our industrial action over a 1.5% salary offer, I’d bite your hand off for a 20% salary rise, to take on 3 direct reports.

maybe she lives in London though?

Sad reality is that this is normal corporate behaviour.

Tell them to shove it.

You're obviously worth £17 zillion

It’s a strange and goady OP.

I knew it was finance by your second post. The tone deafness of calling a 20% rise off £100k insulting is very typical of the bubble culture that finance is. I well recall people talking about ‘working for nothing’ in 2009, when their basic was £200k, as bonuses had been banned that year.

It seems a fair offer. You either want it or don’t want to manage the people, but it’s not derisory. I assume it could potentially lead to a higher bonus too.

Adding three people doesn’t impact your salary that much. I managed 5 people and was on £55k!