To find salary offered an insult?

It’s a lot, what sort of shit does absence and 121s usually give you? In my experience, it’s usually a tiny portion of responsibility, not sure how much stress 3 people could bring.

also the tax band comments are a bit of a distraction, you’ve said you get a bonus. I’m at the bottom of the effective 60% rate and the annoying this is that 60% of my bonus is tax. Once you’re above that band, you receive more of it, so seems win win to me (and if it’s a big bonus, totally pointless putting more in your pension as that’ll very quickly put you in the higher rate band when you retire)

Jesus tonight.
I’d say that is a high wage and a good offer! I know people who manage 10-15 who get about a third of that!
If you don’t want to do it then don’t, but the offer is not insulting. How can £125k be insulting?

I remember when dh was managing a team of about 20 staff and he was earning not much over the minimum wage. It's not an insult but it's probably not worth much after tax etc so if you don't want to do the extra work i would say no.

it seems like a good offer BUT from 100k to 120k you lose your personal tax free allowance and the effective tax rate ends up at around 60%. This means you will not feel much of the uplift - keep that in mind when you negotiate. Lots of people don’t know this

When I worked for a large corporate (one of the biggest companies in the world), the rule of thumb was about 15% between levels. You are being offered 19%.

My direct line manager (team of 4 under her) got a £1500 raise when she was promoted to that role, which was about a 7% raise. ! think her boss, who manages about 8-10 team manager at my boss's level (so overall responsibility for around 50-60 staff), gets about £35-38k pa.

This question is a complete waste of everyone’s time. How can we know what is reasonable in this situation? We have no idea what other managers are paid by the OPs employer or what additional workload this will entail.

Seems like a generous offer. You just hate managing people and ‘all that crap’ (your poor future direct reports), so don’t do it for their sake and yours.

At my employer it's a 7% increase if you manage people vs if you don't, and that's only actually via larger bonus - base salary is the same.

For managing just 3 people that's extremely generous in my opinion. Plus if you say no and/or negotiate overly aggressively that will shut down further career growth.

To me it's a no-brainer yes, far from insulting.

I work in the NHS, line manage 10 people and earn £38k.

I'd be snapping their hand off!

Just to add OP (as it seems to be central to your case) that I live in London too. Nursery fees of over £1500pcm. Husband who earns significantly less than me. And yet we survive!

You are being unreasonable - but I think you know that already.

I think if you don't like people management then just say no.

Personally I love managing people and I'm good at it, so don't need much of a salary uplift to have it as part of my job, but there are other aspects of my work that I would want a significant uplift for if I were to do them.

Could you apply for income support, take a second job, take in ironing, sell things on vinted, try the food bank?

Blimey, I once worked at a nearly Michelin starred restaurant (it is now, think bird reserve) and didn't ask the wages in advance.

Turned out to be £3 ph, it was a few years ago now, but still...point is do the job, don't do the job, whatever, but a salary at that level is not an insult.

It’s a really personal question. If you don’t want to manage people, I’d imagine no uplift would feel enough!
From my experience, a 20%ish, £20k uplift to be a line manager for three people would be worth it. For you, clearly not.
It’s not an ‘insult’ though!

The actual increase seems pretty solid £20k or 20%... definitely a reasonable uplift.

The issue you have is the tax banding you are in means you are not going to see much of it (and if you receive tax free childcare or similar) then you really lose out.

If you wanted to chuck it all into a pension then go for it though.

Is this some sort of humble brag? You are already in the top 5% of earners in the country.

I didn’t say she had. I’m saying that context matters, and £125k can’t automatically be considered reasonable by virtue of being £125k.

I’m on £49k and manage two direct reports. There are managers in my team on £66k who 5+ direct reports. YABVVU OP

Is this a wind up? Seriously. Do people really think like this?

Wow. I manage 3 people on £50k and am just about to take on another 3 for a £6.5k rise. I also live somewhere where prices approach London prices (£500k for a 2 bedroom flat, £100 per day for Nursey). I’m not single but DH’s salary added to mine doesn’t reach your £125k.

yes, you should quit and get a job in Lidl on the tills instead.

No where does it say the others are on £150k, and even if they were the ‘lower salary’ maybe because OP hasn’t managed for a while, needs development, has current issues, works part time?