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Small landlords selling off isn't a great news after all

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Goingindrain · 15/10/2025 16:45

My landlord is a small landlord, just owns his house and the one where we live. He is a nice man and charges us below the market rate rent.
He is fed up of all the anti landlord rules and has decided to sell. It seems he had an offer from FTB and then a big corporation put in an offer 10k over and he's selling it off to them via the agents.
I am worried about the rent going up and it's not a great news for tenants.

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KeepPumping · 28/10/2025 12:49

Bluegrassdfly · 27/10/2025 16:00

Our local uni can just about supply 1st years with accommodation. After that it’s BTL landlords. And it’s desperate. Students are desperate. Rents are stratospheric. All because the Scottish government decided to introduce rent controls so loads of BTL landlords left the market. Scotland proving to everyone that rent controls are still a disaster.

I suspect that going forward there will be far less people going to "Uni", the future might be more about practical job training and living with parents for longer?

KeepPumping · 28/10/2025 12:46

Araminta1003 · 28/10/2025 10:12

If I had 500k cash to invest no way would I put it in property. Mix of cash bonds and bonds, lower risk and higher risk equity instead. Far less work, more certainty, better returns. That is partly why small time landlords are selling up as well. It’s unpaid extra work taxed and regulated through the roof. Same picture with small house builders. The result is more pricy housing not less. The costs of overtaxation and overregulation always get passed on to the end consumer.
The State cannot afford a massive social housing build project so instead they decide to come up with screw people policies that make the situation worse. You can see these anomalies across various sectors now. The demographics have changed (far more smaller households, ageing population) and the politicians keep harping back to old tricks and the playbook that doesn’t work. Nobody is coming up with any proper solutions nor telling the truth.

"If I had 500k cash to invest no way would I put it in property"

Very very good advice but most people borrowed money to get into BTL, they didn"t have 500k, that is why BTL took off, it was more nearly free debt that people could access, of course large numbers of people lapped it up thinking any property investment was a one way bet.

Araminta1003 · 28/10/2025 10:12

If I had 500k cash to invest no way would I put it in property. Mix of cash bonds and bonds, lower risk and higher risk equity instead. Far less work, more certainty, better returns. That is partly why small time landlords are selling up as well. It’s unpaid extra work taxed and regulated through the roof. Same picture with small house builders. The result is more pricy housing not less. The costs of overtaxation and overregulation always get passed on to the end consumer.
The State cannot afford a massive social housing build project so instead they decide to come up with screw people policies that make the situation worse. You can see these anomalies across various sectors now. The demographics have changed (far more smaller households, ageing population) and the politicians keep harping back to old tricks and the playbook that doesn’t work. Nobody is coming up with any proper solutions nor telling the truth.

hellowhaaat3632 · 28/10/2025 09:05

ElectricLegs · 27/10/2025 19:02

Better described as paying a small part of your mortgage for the asset you will eventually own? Unless you are a landlord rather than just a BTL landlord.

The asset which you take all the risk and maintenance for and no guarantee it'll sell for a higher price. In this market, it is very uncertain. Potential for loosing tens of £1,000's. Even more. Something you would do, do you think? Can you afford it? But you expect others to do it in order to provide housing for others?

ElectricLegs · 27/10/2025 19:02

hellowhaaat3632 · 27/10/2025 15:48

Yes, the estate agents actively encourage this, even when you're happy with your tenant and don't want to evict them. Sometimes it's necessary if eg you're operating at a loss.

Better described as paying a small part of your mortgage for the asset you will eventually own? Unless you are a landlord rather than just a BTL landlord.

Bluegrassdfly · 27/10/2025 16:00

KeepPumping · 27/10/2025 15:58

A lot of Uni"s run their own accommodation now.

Our local uni can just about supply 1st years with accommodation. After that it’s BTL landlords. And it’s desperate. Students are desperate. Rents are stratospheric. All because the Scottish government decided to introduce rent controls so loads of BTL landlords left the market. Scotland proving to everyone that rent controls are still a disaster.

KeepPumping · 27/10/2025 15:58

Bluegrassdfly · 27/10/2025 15:54

Do you think it’s all of the landlords that are stopping you buying though? Who else provides students with somewhere to rent?

A lot of Uni"s run their own accommodation now.

Bluegrassdfly · 27/10/2025 15:54

taxguru · 24/10/2025 14:33

It's because it's being funded by other "normal" people further down the chain, many of whom will never be able to buy their own homes because house prices have risen far faster than wage inflation for a few decades.

Do you think it’s all of the landlords that are stopping you buying though? Who else provides students with somewhere to rent?

hellowhaaat3632 · 27/10/2025 15:48

JHound · 27/10/2025 15:31

There have been a number of stories (some high profile) of landlord serving notice on tenants simply to relist the property at a much higher rent.

Yes, the estate agents actively encourage this, even when you're happy with your tenant and don't want to evict them. Sometimes it's necessary if eg you're operating at a loss.

JHound · 27/10/2025 15:31

Reallynotsure25 · 21/10/2025 19:41

This! A good tenant who pays their rent on time and looks after the property is worth their weight in gold. Most landlords would rather keep this type of tenant than run the risk of finding a new nightmare tenant, never mind the costs associated with eviction. Private Equity landlords or corporate landlords may not feel the same when it comes to rent increases.

There have been a number of stories (some high profile) of landlord serving notice on tenants simply to relist the property at a much higher rent.

KeepPumping · 27/10/2025 15:13

AlpineMuesli · 27/10/2025 14:57

" Rents are well above average thanks in part to its fast train line to London, which makes it attractive to affluent City commuters."

So why would you sell your rental to the council?

Are the council paying over market value, meaning commercial property crisis part two and more councils going bust?

This has happened in other councils and it usually has a negative effect on prices for surrounding property.

AlpineMuesli · 27/10/2025 14:57

Brighton council is buying houses from landlords.

www.theguardian.com/society/2025/oct/26/right-to-buy-reverse-brighton-tackling-social-housing-crisis

KeepPumping · 27/10/2025 14:33

Can"t see big corporations being interested in the sorts of random BTL that people were snapping up when the BTL craze was in full swing, many landlords will struggle to sell now as FTB are paying more for their mortgage debt and people don`t want to be landlords any more!

TeenagersAngst · 27/10/2025 13:49

Araminta1003 · 27/10/2025 06:18

I would understand the situation if the same rules applied to owners as regards EPC requirements, annual gas safety checks, electrical certificates etc.
However, if the State insists on lots of extra regulation on the rental market but not the owner market, then essentially the renters bear the cost of that extra regulation. So they have to pay to be “protected” themselves. As it is already more expensive to rent, it is not really fair on them to have to bear these upfront costs. Landlords will always pass the costs on. Only rich people can afford to put up the capital expenditure required to make a house more energy efficient, for example. Every time you change your windows, install solar panels etc as an owner you know you won’t necessarily get the full cost back.
Poorer owners have to pay higher energy costs over a long time period instead. It is absurd to pass these costs on to tenants, especially if there is already a housing shortage and rental crisis.

Agree. Also, social housing providers have been exempt from MEES although I think this is changing.

All homes, whether rented or owned should be subject to same requirements. In a healthy rental market, tenants would vote with their feet. That’s what used to happen.

Katemax82 · 27/10/2025 07:05

Dangitydang · 26/10/2025 18:50

I would think that not paying rent on purpose is making yourself intentionally homes and councils won't help?

I think if you get evicted and refuse to leave but continue paying rent you wait for the bailiffs to turf you out so the council can help, not refuse to pay rent.

Araminta1003 · 27/10/2025 06:30

I also agree that large commercial landlords would probably want whole buildings primarily, that can be managed more cost effectively. So more of a build to rent ethos from the get go, not buying up ex small time landlord houses and flats dotted around, unless it is already a large portfolio in a particular area, of a certain type.
Housing should be secure and fairly priced and I do agree that landlords should be in it long term and never evicting tenants who pay on time and look after the property. A fair compromise might have been to exclude landlords with just 1 or 2 properties from extra regulation? But to make them disclose their status when advertising property to rent. So renters can decide what type of landlord to go with. When we rented when young, we always chose a small time personable landlord who we had a good relationship with. Much preferred that format.

Araminta1003 · 27/10/2025 06:18

I would understand the situation if the same rules applied to owners as regards EPC requirements, annual gas safety checks, electrical certificates etc.
However, if the State insists on lots of extra regulation on the rental market but not the owner market, then essentially the renters bear the cost of that extra regulation. So they have to pay to be “protected” themselves. As it is already more expensive to rent, it is not really fair on them to have to bear these upfront costs. Landlords will always pass the costs on. Only rich people can afford to put up the capital expenditure required to make a house more energy efficient, for example. Every time you change your windows, install solar panels etc as an owner you know you won’t necessarily get the full cost back.
Poorer owners have to pay higher energy costs over a long time period instead. It is absurd to pass these costs on to tenants, especially if there is already a housing shortage and rental crisis.

user1497787065 · 27/10/2025 05:51

flopsyuk · 15/10/2025 17:57

He doesn't sound like a nice man at all. Getting upset and selling up because of new rules isn't the action of one. Being greedy and not selling to a FTB.

There are a few landlords i can see on Rightmove around me trying to sell with tenants but there is so much else for sale these aren't going anywhere. Especially flats. No sign of any big corporations buying around me. People don't tend to buy a property with a sitting tenant.

I wonder if he is telling you the truth? Or is it any isolated local thing maybe.

Being greedy? I can’t think of many people who wouldn’t take the 10k higher offer. Would you?

Dangitydang · 26/10/2025 18:50

carchi · 26/10/2025 17:38

Also the council housing department where I live are actually telling tenants to stop paying rent and wait for the bailiffs because unless that happens they can't get any kind of emergency council accommodation. Obviously this saves the council's and government to provide housing. Just use and abuse the private landlords.

I would think that not paying rent on purpose is making yourself intentionally homes and councils won't help?

carchi · 26/10/2025 17:38

GinPin2 · 25/10/2025 19:37

Good for you, exactly what we did, far too much stress. We sold to an owner occupier , and had bought from an owner occupier in the first place, 10 years previously. But after 10 years of stress and 3 sets of troublesome tenants we stopped providing for renters. Such a happy day.

Also the council housing department where I live are actually telling tenants to stop paying rent and wait for the bailiffs because unless that happens they can't get any kind of emergency council accommodation. Obviously this saves the council's and government to provide housing. Just use and abuse the private landlords.

GinPin2 · 25/10/2025 19:37

Rainingcatsanddogstoday · 21/10/2025 11:46

OP - I'm a small landlord. I have a tenant that has not paid for 7 months. All this time I'm paying the mortgage and the bills on the flat myself, so it's been a massive strain on our finances.

I am not able to get him out. I took him to court in July and until now I still haven't received any news from the bailiffs, courts are backlogged. In the meantime, my tenant is living freely in my flat, brought in 2 dogs (reported by my neighbours) which he not allowed to do, all protected by the law as I can't get into my flat, even though I got a Possession order issued by the County Court. It's literally INSANE!!

Once he is out, I'm selling the flat! It's really not worth it. Everyone is saying things are getting worse from Jan, as if it can be any worse than that.

Good for you, exactly what we did, far too much stress. We sold to an owner occupier , and had bought from an owner occupier in the first place, 10 years previously. But after 10 years of stress and 3 sets of troublesome tenants we stopped providing for renters. Such a happy day.

KeepPumping · 25/10/2025 15:22

taxguru · 24/10/2025 14:34

A few business banks package such software for free for their business account customers. Some simple software can be as little as a tenner per month. So it's a pretty insignificant cost.

Thanks. Totally minimal cost then. Do you happen to know a good place on the internet to research business accounts?

KeepPumping · 25/10/2025 15:20

taxguru · 24/10/2025 14:33

It's because it's being funded by other "normal" people further down the chain, many of whom will never be able to buy their own homes because house prices have risen far faster than wage inflation for a few decades.

Almost a Ponzi scheme really?

taxguru · 24/10/2025 14:34

KeepPumping · 23/10/2025 13:00

How much does software like that cost can I ask?

A few business banks package such software for free for their business account customers. Some simple software can be as little as a tenner per month. So it's a pretty insignificant cost.