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Small landlords selling off isn't a great news after all

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Goingindrain · 15/10/2025 16:45

My landlord is a small landlord, just owns his house and the one where we live. He is a nice man and charges us below the market rate rent.
He is fed up of all the anti landlord rules and has decided to sell. It seems he had an offer from FTB and then a big corporation put in an offer 10k over and he's selling it off to them via the agents.
I am worried about the rent going up and it's not a great news for tenants.

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PrincessofWells · 16/10/2025 19:23

Orangesandlemons77 · 16/10/2025 18:28

Yes, we are checking that. the lease is very old, from when holiday lets were not a thing (house is Georgian)

It says the flats are to be for 'one family only' also must not cause an increase to the insurance or noise or nuisance to other flats. So it may breach all of these, but not sure.

A clear breach then.

carchi · 16/10/2025 19:02

It's because the government are too lazy and shortsighted to put in place proper systems whereby rouge landlords are made to become responsible for their actions and decent landlords are left alone to do a good job. This new legislation does not take into account that there are many different situations for both landlords and tenants.

GinPin2 · 16/10/2025 18:58

We were landlords of a 2 bedroom flat. We were absolutely lovely landlords
We had bought that flat from my husband's inheritance when his mum died.
We did not enjoy being landlords at all and when our last tenant disappeared without paying the last month's rent we thought enough is enough.
We had had three sets of tenants,

the first ( a pair of single girls ) complained about silly little things like a funny smell, the grass being too long to reach the washing line, they should have been tending the shared garden anyway ,.etc etc They went from one little complaint to another, but eventually went their separate ways.
The second set, a father and young son, basically never let us know about problems such as with water and heating etc, until there was a lot of damage. We were so relieved when he decided to live with his girlfriend and her daughter, because the flat was too small for the blended family. We had so much expense to repair the flat.
The third tenant and her dog , well we bent over backwards for her, getting her into the flat in 2020 just before lockdown. She seemed so nice, well she wasn't and we had complaints from her neighbours
She disappeared November 2021.
All we would ever hear about on the news were the terrible landlords!!!
We sold in June 2022 and were SO happy and actually, a year later we were able to help one of our daughters out of a situation we couldn't have foreseen, the amount she needed was exactly what we sold for minus the capital gains tax!
I would now always advise, never become a small landlord.

AutumnCosy2025 · 16/10/2025 18:56

JHound · 15/10/2025 18:52

I will never cry a single tear for somebody with 6 BTLs

No one's asking you to cry & you can hate all landlords if you are so narrow minded.

People WANT to rent, people WERE prepared to enable this, but good landlords are being crushed & pushed out.

fine.

But the crying about that jack if rental properties is something that was warned about when people like you were moaning about all landlords being shit. They're not. But as always people who struggle can't differentiate.

& thise who could are nis paying the price.

MrsMarni · 16/10/2025 18:44

Could someone tell us what the new rules asume?

Laralou991 · 16/10/2025 18:44

Hellohelga · 16/10/2025 16:23

Is the huge CGT bill because you made a huge profit? Poor you, my heart bleeds.

Why are people on here so resentful about others making money. She’s done well to save the money and probably help secure her future and retirement. Just because your own financial situation may not be as solid, doesn’t mean you should look badly or be rude to those in a better situation

Umbrellasinthesunshine · 16/10/2025 18:42

Ah the simplistic notion that a mortgage would be so much cheaper than the rent charged. Not unless you have about 50% deposit! The mortgage on our house for an FTB with 10% deposit would be £1k per month more than the rent we charged. And that doesn’t account for any of the additional annual upkeep/ repair/replacement costs - roughly £3kpa (averaged over 10 years as a LL). Also doesn’t include insurance costs.
We always saw it as a win-win that our house was looked after and our tenants (by their own admission) could live in a much nicer place than they could afford to buy.
We, as so many others on this thread, have had enough of all the hassle and future uncertainty and are selling. In the end our tenants overstayed their tenancy by 4 months searching for a new place because, surprise surprise, there are now fewer rentals and all in poorer condition and more expensive. It was shocking that they have ended up paying more now for a rundown place with one less bedroom and I really feel for them. I don’t think decent private landlords are the problem in this picture, but us leaving the market is creating one. There are now only 170 properties to rent in that town and over 1400 for sale. That’s not a “hoarding” of housing issue. That’s a lack of decent and affordable rental housing, in large part a dysfunction of this broken system.

SpigTheFish · 16/10/2025 18:34

ToilingAway · 15/10/2025 18:24

Everything has been bought up by Private Equity - from football clubs to housing to Water Companies to Train Operators etc - they have access to cheap cash so can buy at inflated prices then squeeze profits out of the customers - its renty economics - nothing new is created.

But its the free market and the market is never wrong.

Not just water and train companies, they've bought up vet practices, solicitors, accountants and IT companies too.

Orangesandlemons77 · 16/10/2025 18:28

PrincessofWells · 16/10/2025 17:22

It's usually a condition in the lease that the property is not rented other than as a tenancy. It would be worthwhile checking your lease to see if the leaseholders are breaching the terms.

Yes, we are checking that. the lease is very old, from when holiday lets were not a thing (house is Georgian)

It says the flats are to be for 'one family only' also must not cause an increase to the insurance or noise or nuisance to other flats. So it may breach all of these, but not sure.

CameForAVacationStayedForTheRevolution · 16/10/2025 18:28

thecatneuterer · 16/10/2025 15:42

I understand your point, but purpose built commercial student housing is very much more expensive - probably somewhere in the region of 40% more on average.

Mind you - I think there are far too many people going to university these days - but that's another argument entirely.

But if there was more commercial purpose built student accommodation the price might come down as there would be more competition?

dd pays £900 a month in a purpose built flat, includes all bills and laundry and a gym. Walking distance to uni in the city centre. If she lived in one of the main student areas she’d be looking at £700 a month, not including bills and no gym or laundry. 20 min bus ride each day with the cost of an annual bus pass.

MadinMarch · 16/10/2025 18:22

TonTonMacoute · 16/10/2025 15:25

6 million households in the UK would not qualify for a mortgage apparently.

To do so much damage to the PRS without ensuring that there is enough social rented accommodation to make up for any shortfall is downright dumb. It will be interesting to see what happens, but I'm bloody glad I'm not a LL any more, and I'm certainly very glad that I'm not a tenant.

@TonTonMacoute I was responding to the poster who seemed to be implying that rented properties were the reason that people can't buy their own property because they're all owned by landlords.
Of course, this isn't the reason at all...

Fayaway · 16/10/2025 18:03

PrincessofWells · 16/10/2025 17:22

It's usually a condition in the lease that the property is not rented other than as a tenancy. It would be worthwhile checking your lease to see if the leaseholders are breaching the terms.

That’s interesting, happened to my son in York - was given notice as landlord wanted to change his flat to an Air B’n’B. She was gradually working through the whole building (converted Victorian house).

bumblebee1000 · 16/10/2025 18:00

Sold ours last december, was accidental, as family owners went into care homes, lovely long term tenants, we charged about 30% below market rent and they have gone home to romania so decided to sell, was already doing lots of paperwork for licences etc etc , we chose a good time to sell and paid the cgt, we wouldnt get the prices we got now. funds paid off care home fees outstanding and left a small sum for the family. the money can earn 5% now and no stress as did once have drug dealing mafia tenants who destroyed a house and caused 18k of damage which insurance wouldnt cover.

Needlenardlenoo · 16/10/2025 17:39

AlpineMuesli · 16/10/2025 16:56

Landlords do have a bad reputation and maybe an industry body would be a good idea.
@saraclara realise it's too late now, but an annual inspection would have helped both parties in your situation. Stressful though.
I doubt corporate landlords would allow tenants to trash the place like that.

There is an industry body. The National Residential Landlords' Association.

PrincessofWells · 16/10/2025 17:30

saraclara · 16/10/2025 15:30

Is that not at least in part, down to the tenants? The rental property (only 15 years old) that I've become responsible for, was in a shocking state, due to the tenants blocking all ventilation (so black mould all over the place) and their general lack of any care or respect for the property. They'd had a new bathroom, new carpets and various other work done promptly, not to mention no rent rise for 14 years. I've had to spend £2000 just to get it clean, mould-free, functional and the scrapyard that they'd turned the garden into, cleared. But the buyer will still have to completely redecorate, replace rusted radiators and put a new kitchen in.

None of that is down to me or a landlord that didn't do all that was asked of them

It should be made easier to get rid of tenants who fail to look after a property but one of the issues is that people with a limited disposable income cannot always afford to heat the property appropriately which can and often does lead to mould and other delapidation. Hence careful landlords let only to professionals not in receipt of benefits.

It's very sad that the risk to landlords is elevated and so they cannot afford to take a risk when choosing a tenant.

PrincessofWells · 16/10/2025 17:22

Orangesandlemons77 · 15/10/2025 22:20

This is impacting the building we live in, we have a flat in a shared (old) building in a tourist city.

What is starting to happen is flats which used to be let long term (usually to professional couples or a small family) are being turned into holiday lets.

It's not great, hen parties teetering up the stairs and noise etc, in fact we are unsure of they are breaking the terms of the lease, but I guess it is understandable given the new rules.

In such an old building I doubt any flats would pass the energy efficiency ratings. the pets thing would also be a problem as our original lease does ban pets (anything with four legs apparently or a noisy bird!)

It's usually a condition in the lease that the property is not rented other than as a tenancy. It would be worthwhile checking your lease to see if the leaseholders are breaching the terms.

AlpineMuesli · 16/10/2025 16:56

Landlords do have a bad reputation and maybe an industry body would be a good idea.
@saraclara realise it's too late now, but an annual inspection would have helped both parties in your situation. Stressful though.
I doubt corporate landlords would allow tenants to trash the place like that.

thecatneuterer · 16/10/2025 16:40

Hellohelga · 16/10/2025 16:23

Is the huge CGT bill because you made a huge profit? Poor you, my heart bleeds.

Not necessarily, as inflation is no longer taken into account. The profit may be no more than inflation.

FancyCatSlave · 16/10/2025 16:28

latetothefisting · 16/10/2025 15:02

Are you suggesting that my friend just randomly lied to me about this for no apparent reason?

thanks for the patronising lesson, but I do know how credit scores work! Obviously the landlord can't access anyone's cc themselves, no more than anyone else can. What they can do is ask prospective applicants to access their own scores themselves and provide screenshots etc.

Whether they should do this or it is a relevant or fair way of choosing applicants is all debatable, what isn't is that it did actually happen!

As my friend had a very good score she agreed to provide it as she thought it would go in her favour. Perhaps there were other applicants who refused to provide theirs, I don't know - the point is that the landlord for a fairly standard property in a not particularly nice area, had their choice of applicants despite the insane amount they were charging for rent.

Companies like Experian can do a check for landlords. I use it (and pay for it). It tells you about affordability, validates employment, any defaults etc.
If the tenant doesn’t consent to that they don’t become my tenant.
The only bad tenants I had we when I used an agent. Sunce I started self screening they have been great.

Hellohelga · 16/10/2025 16:23

summerlovingvibes · 16/10/2025 14:18

Small landlord here with 2 rental properties.
Both have had the same tenants since we rented them out (when we got married and bought a joint house).

Fantastic tenants, and we are great landlords. Definitely charge below the market value, but that's because we like them and want them to stay as they look after the houses so well.

However, we are starting to feel the pressure to sell. We will continue to step rent up a little each year, but even so eventually we will be out of pocket. However when we sell we will have a huge CGT bill to pay :(

We would love to keep the properties for investment into our children's future. We've work hard to be able to do this, and now it is all likely to be taken away.

This all started when they made a change to the tax system where we can't put the interest on the mortgage against the costs anymore.

We're really sad about it and feel totally stuck :(

Is the huge CGT bill because you made a huge profit? Poor you, my heart bleeds.

BruFord · 16/10/2025 15:50

thecatneuterer · 16/10/2025 15:42

I understand your point, but purpose built commercial student housing is very much more expensive - probably somewhere in the region of 40% more on average.

Mind you - I think there are far too many people going to university these days - but that's another argument entirely.

@thecatneuterer Yes, we live near a university ( in the US) and they’ve built some very nice student housing, but it’s really expensive. Not everyone in the area was thrilled when it was built either as some terraces had to be bulldozed to make space.

My DD is at another uni and she’s sharing a less fancy apartment - as she wisely says, she doesn’t want to waste money on somewhere she’ll only be living in for a couple of years. Plus they’re hardly ever in!

In theory it’s a good idea for universities to provide long-term housing, but getting it built and paid for is more complicated.

thecatneuterer · 16/10/2025 15:42

CameForAVacationStayedForTheRevolution · 16/10/2025 15:26

That’s not a bad thing if that happens. Would free up housing for families/couples, etc. there needs to be more/sufficient halls for students so they’re not clogging up the local housing market.

I understand your point, but purpose built commercial student housing is very much more expensive - probably somewhere in the region of 40% more on average.

Mind you - I think there are far too many people going to university these days - but that's another argument entirely.

Furball · 16/10/2025 15:41

TeenagersAngst · 16/10/2025 14:49

It will no doubt be an overly bureaucratic quango which just adds more costs to landlords who will pass them on to tenants.

@TeenagersAngst - I get that - but my meaning was they haven't even thought it up yet, though landlords will be expected to implement it as soon as they have. Here and now, it could be ANYTHING and could cost anything but landlords will be expected to suck it up and join or face penalty whether they like it or even agree with the wording or not.

Redberryhot · 16/10/2025 15:37

Another former (good) landlord here who was charging below market rent. Then, after 20 years with no problems, we had a bad tenant - very antisocial behaviour including drug taking and not paying rent. It was extremely stressful but thankfully didn't take long to get the tenant out as we could serve a no-fault eviction and sell up.

Upcoming extra restrictions on landlords made that decision clear. I wouldn't want it to have been any more difficult to evict a tenant like that

saraclara · 16/10/2025 15:30

ApplebyArrows · 16/10/2025 08:43

So many brilliant landlords on the internet. Meanwhile most rented houses I visit are mouldy and delapidated, with conditions nobody would tolerate in their own home - and largely owned by "small" landlords too.

Is that not at least in part, down to the tenants? The rental property (only 15 years old) that I've become responsible for, was in a shocking state, due to the tenants blocking all ventilation (so black mould all over the place) and their general lack of any care or respect for the property. They'd had a new bathroom, new carpets and various other work done promptly, not to mention no rent rise for 14 years. I've had to spend £2000 just to get it clean, mould-free, functional and the scrapyard that they'd turned the garden into, cleared. But the buyer will still have to completely redecorate, replace rusted radiators and put a new kitchen in.

None of that is down to me or a landlord that didn't do all that was asked of them

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