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To want to improve our lifestyle today and sell the property?

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preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 13:34

I have NC for this because I am including a fair bit of financial info and I also think I am going to get a fair amount of stick. I am aware we are in a privileged position but I think these decisions of 'jam today vs jam tomorrow' are pretty ubiquitous and not income / wealth dependant (within reason) so I am hoping for some useful advice (and a different perspective) as well as the expected abuse

I work and my DP doesn't. I earn about 140-150k a year and he used to earn the same. We have two small kids. We don't live in london anymore but have a flat there which we used to live in. It's been valued at £1.35m and we have a £625k mortgage on it. At current interest rates it doesn't really generate any income once we have maintained it, paid the agent etc. but has appreciated in value a fair bit since we bought it.

The mortgage on our PPR is about £470k / 2.5k a month and I put everything over 100k into a pension so my take-home is about 5.5k.

We can just about manage (we don't have any car loans) on my salary with the current situation but it's tight.

I think we should sell the flat in London, pay off our current mortgage and invest the rest. That would give us a great standard of living now, even though only one of us is working. He thinks we should try and hang onto it. I am not a spendthrift but I am more 'jam today' and he is more 'jam tomorrow'.

Just to add we are both in our 40's (him late, me 40). He has about 500k in a pension, I have about 200k (I've only been contributing to mine for a few years) but we also have about 900k in other investments.

So my view is our situation is good and we should enjoy the lifestyle a bit more now.

What do you think? (hard hat on)

Am i being unreasonable to want to sell the property?

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didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · 14/10/2025 14:55

QuickPeachPoet · 14/10/2025 14:47

I'd be prepared to be that this question would not be asked if it was the woman not working.

Edited

How much would you be prepared to bet?

Do you think if a woman in her 40s who had been earning £150k had stopped working and her husband was asking specifically about household finances then I wouldn't ask if she was planning on working again? Is that what you really think. Because you're wrong, it was a perfectly reasonable question.

YourPeppyAmberTraybake · 14/10/2025 14:55

preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 14:52

The flat we are selling is 50/50. The property we currently live in is just mine because we bought it after he quite his job so it was simpler that way. He did contribute to the deposit, though.

Would your DP be happy to use proceeds for a joint sale to pay off a mortgage for a property that is solely in your name?

preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 14:54

BadgernTheGarden · 14/10/2025 14:47

You have £900k in investments that should generate £35k plus a year extra income that you could spend on your holiday in the US and your campervan without selling the flat, if you think you should keep that for the appreciation, not sure what your financial problem is. Or are you already drawing income from those investments?

I assume if you sold the flat you would invest that money and draw the interest as required for a bit more of a comfortable lifestyle.

Sorry I didn't put this in the OP as didn't want to {further} complicate my description of the situation but it's not liquid and doesn't generate an income. It's like a share of a family business but the valuation is solid and it's not risky.

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EverybodyLTB · 14/10/2025 14:54

I was just about to ask who owns what percentage of what and how are things protected? Are you married? What happens to all the assets if you split? If you own the house you live in, who ends up as the owner if you sell the London place and pay your current home off?

preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 14:52

YourPeppyAmberTraybake · 14/10/2025 14:49

Do you both jointly own the flat and your house?

The flat we are selling is 50/50. The property we currently live in is just mine because we bought it after he quite his job so it was simpler that way. He did contribute to the deposit, though.

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YourPeppyAmberTraybake · 14/10/2025 14:49

Do you both jointly own the flat and your house?

PastaFasool · 14/10/2025 14:48

Another thing to consider is that the flat could become a problematic investment if something makes it unmortgagable and you're stuck with it. I only mention as this has happened to 2 people I know who have flats they used to live in London (one with subsidence, one with unsafe cladding). I'm sure neither would happen to you but that would be a factor in my decision making.

Twiglets1 · 14/10/2025 14:47

Sounds a good plan to me.

You could always buy a second property again in future if you wanted to but this is such an expensive time in life. I would prefer to have money for nice holidays etc and it’s not like you’re not being financially sensible in other ways.

Plus property prices aren’t rising as much anymore, or at all in some areas.

QuickPeachPoet · 14/10/2025 14:47

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · 14/10/2025 13:37

Why doesn't he work? Is he planning to work again?

I'd be prepared to be that this question would not be asked if it was the woman not working.

BadgernTheGarden · 14/10/2025 14:47

You have £900k in investments that should generate £35k plus a year extra income that you could spend on your holiday in the US and your campervan without selling the flat, if you think you should keep that for the appreciation, not sure what your financial problem is. Or are you already drawing income from those investments?

I assume if you sold the flat you would invest that money and draw the interest as required for a bit more of a comfortable lifestyle.

User94816 · 14/10/2025 14:45

I'm not a financial adviser, but I've done a lot of personal research on finances myself over the past 5 or so years and find this sort of stuff fascinating!

Firstly, i'd definitely consider talking to a financial adviser and probably an accountant too if you don't have one already. For various reasons, I personally don't have a "pension", but instead put money into private investments which are similar to a pension but much more accessible. In simple terms, if you took the £700K you two currently have just in your pensions alone, and instead invested in an ETF/S&P500, year on year you'd get a much higher return (conservatively, 8% a year which, of course, compounds). I should add, it depends person to person what is best - often on MN people are insistent on 'a pension' but very few people I know in real life put their money into an actual 'pension' for various reasons. They opt instead for other investments where they can eventually live off the interest paid.

You'll need to consider tax liability when/if you sell the flat. A friend of mine just sold a property (3 bed house) worth about half of what the flat is worth, but her capital gains and various taxes on it were eye watering - in her situation i think they maybe got about 50% in reality of what they sold it for). There are ways of mitigating that liability (I'm not suggesting you do this, but you could set up a company run by your husband which 'buys' the property and then you sell via the company - this is a very basic, very dumbed down explanation of something you could do, and I don't know your exact financials and personal positions, so I couldn't advise if that was a good idea or not, but if you're already doing a property renovation, you could run some of the costs through 'the business'.) Also your DH would be 'employed' so wouldn't miss out on his national insurance stamps and could make a voluntary contribution (if he isn't already doing that).
There are stipulations on this, so if you were to sell the house, you might be liable for capital gains even if it's been your primary residence, but I know of a few people who do this and that's how they are able to renovate their houses.

As PP have said, you need to make sure that if you sell the flat, you don't just 'fritter' the money, and I'd have a plan in place where you invest it in a trust, say, for your children and then you live off the interest for your year to year expenses (ie, a holiday perhaps, but the kids still have their 'pot' there waiting when they're ready.) You'd also get around inheritance tax this way as the trust can be in their name. With 500K in a trust, you'd get about 50K a year back (you'd pay tax on it but could afford to get a bloody posh holiday out of it!)

I personally wouldn't buy a depreciating asset like a VW camper van. It's a monthly liability and how often realistically would you use it?!

That said, if you hypothetically did run your "property business" as a corporation, you can get grants from the government for buying electric cars and they'd be tax deductable.

I'd be hesitant about having a second property to let out - the B2L market isn't as good as it used to be and i worry about being a landlord in this day and age.

Ginmonkeyagain · 14/10/2025 14:44

If the £900k cannot be touched then I would definitely sell the London flat and pay off your mortgage. You are pretty exposed right now if you got sick or lost your job.

childofthe607080s · 14/10/2025 14:43

Don’t buy a VW necessarily though - many other vans offer much better value for money - more space - useful with kids , good quality for less than an VW which is paying for the name

a trip to a camping and caravan show would be a good idea to really understand options and why might suit you best

Happyjoe · 14/10/2025 14:43

Get rid of the flat, enjoy life now. You're already set up for the future, no point in paying 2 mortgages when you could pay none. Why pay interest when do not need to?

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 14/10/2025 14:41

YourPeppyAmberTraybake · 14/10/2025 14:40

If you sold it could you clear the mortgage on your current home with the equity?

Yes they could

preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 14:41

YourPeppyAmberTraybake · 14/10/2025 14:40

If you sold it could you clear the mortgage on your current home with the equity?

Yes - we'd have a bit left over after clearing the mortgage. I have suggested we also buy a VW campervan 😃

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MusicMakesItAllBetter · 14/10/2025 14:41

preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 13:34

I have NC for this because I am including a fair bit of financial info and I also think I am going to get a fair amount of stick. I am aware we are in a privileged position but I think these decisions of 'jam today vs jam tomorrow' are pretty ubiquitous and not income / wealth dependant (within reason) so I am hoping for some useful advice (and a different perspective) as well as the expected abuse

I work and my DP doesn't. I earn about 140-150k a year and he used to earn the same. We have two small kids. We don't live in london anymore but have a flat there which we used to live in. It's been valued at £1.35m and we have a £625k mortgage on it. At current interest rates it doesn't really generate any income once we have maintained it, paid the agent etc. but has appreciated in value a fair bit since we bought it.

The mortgage on our PPR is about £470k / 2.5k a month and I put everything over 100k into a pension so my take-home is about 5.5k.

We can just about manage (we don't have any car loans) on my salary with the current situation but it's tight.

I think we should sell the flat in London, pay off our current mortgage and invest the rest. That would give us a great standard of living now, even though only one of us is working. He thinks we should try and hang onto it. I am not a spendthrift but I am more 'jam today' and he is more 'jam tomorrow'.

Just to add we are both in our 40's (him late, me 40). He has about 500k in a pension, I have about 200k (I've only been contributing to mine for a few years) but we also have about 900k in other investments.

So my view is our situation is good and we should enjoy the lifestyle a bit more now.

What do you think? (hard hat on)

Am i being unreasonable to want to sell the property?

What good are the assets and money for if you die tomorrow?

Live for now while you're in a position to do so, financially fortunate.

Never save champagne for a special occasion because every day you wake up is a special occasion.

YourPeppyAmberTraybake · 14/10/2025 14:40

preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 14:20

We could, but we both agree that is less attractive than selling the flat.

If you sold it could you clear the mortgage on your current home with the equity?

preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 14:39

Aimtodobetter · 14/10/2025 14:37

You can still keep your expenditure down but invest the money in something a bit more diversified / that could generate dividends and longer-term returns (e.g. a stock market ETF - I am not providing financial advice).

This is something I have also thought as a compromise. So give a but more day to day spending but also keep a fair bit of the money invested.

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Aimtodobetter · 14/10/2025 14:37

preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 14:06

Not really - he just thinks it would be better financially to hang on to it and keeping investments / spending less on day to day living is more his default position.

You can still keep your expenditure down but invest the money in something a bit more diversified / that could generate dividends and longer-term returns (e.g. a stock market ETF - I am not providing financial advice).

preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 14:37

I will check back later but need to get back to my job for a bit now. Thank you all for your considered advice. I really appreciate it.

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Seeingadistance · 14/10/2025 14:36

I’d sell, and take good financial advice re what to do with the proceeds.

preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 14:34

Toofficeornot · 14/10/2025 14:30

I don't think it is the best market to sell. Tou should speak to some agenta and get a feel for the market. Lot's of property on at the moment in our area. Your area might be different. But selling at the right time is crucial for maximising the value from the property.

The current market is a big reason he doesn't want to sell. I'm not advocating a fire sale but I don't think it would come to that. We'd wait until after the budget before we did anything.

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preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 14:32

Ginmonkeyagain · 14/10/2025 14:29

I can't really get my head around having £900k tied up in very illiquid assets that generates no income - what is it - a share of a family business or something?

Yes.

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preparingforthepileon · 14/10/2025 14:32

roshi42 · 14/10/2025 14:27

I would absolutely sell! Well, dependant on the Budget, I suppose. Being mortgage free is the absolute dream of my life - I can't imagine how free-ing and less stressful it would feel. At the moment all the financial pressure is on you and your job - I am the same as a single mother and I find it very anxiety inducing, even when things appear stable. I know I'm only a pay-check / work eff-up / losing my job away from disaster. Being mortgage free would give you so much more financial freedom - to enjoy now (jam today) or giving you the ability to tighten your belts if needed (jam tmrw).

Also, property in London isn't what it once was - I reckon you've had the best years of value increasing. And with the capital gain increasing... and it's not actually making money for you anyway. Plus the hassle/stress of managing it, even if just dealing with an agency - what if things go wrong / there's a flood etc etc. I'd get rid and feel happy and free!

For what it's worth, I am not too far off what you earn as a single income household, in the South East, with half the mortgage but with full time nursery and a car loan, so similar-ish, and yes, it is tight. Your finances are clearly overall much better than mine (so great to be focusing on your pension!) but that doesn't mean much day-to-day. So I get it. If I had the option to free myself up a bit financially it would make a big difference. I say do it.

Edited

Thank you for your advice. I am not a naturally anxious person but i do occasionally get a bit stressed about it.

I think you're probably right about London property but even if we kept it and did keep appreciating...what's it all for if you can't use it to make your life better? That's my view anyway 😂

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