Another fatal incident at nursery

I'm not suggesting you are. It's just you say it is about nurseries but children with allergies are vulnerable in every setting.
And it's just fascinating that I.havent seen any debate about allergies and schools, and so many teachers are alarmingly laid back about dishing out allergens

I'm not against nurseries at all. Read my previous posts. I work in a nursery. I think you're confusing me with another poster.

Benedict Blythe was given milk at school and died

Karanbir Cheema had cheese thrown at him at school and died

Mohammed Ismaeel Ashraf died from eating an allergen at school

Maizy Harman had an anaphylactic reaction to milk from food served at school and successfully sued the council

My daughter had a severe allergic reaction due to milk a fellow classmate was consuming at school and had to go to hospital

countless near misses or fatalities from milk exposure at school.

but I don't see anyone saying we shouldn't send our children to school

My point is that there is zero value in specifically villainising nursery staff or nursery care over an accidental death when many other children die of accidental means every year in parental or care other than nursery.

Go ahead and find stats how many children die of accidental allergen consumption under parent, grandparent or other family care each year. Or any other accidental means that it preventable. Swimming pool drowning, traffic accidents, choking, sleep safety, etc.

Of course it is to with the nursery! What are you talking about? A child with a dairy allergy was given a yogurt at nursery.

Yes I do. And I object to you calling them 'some childcare worker' in that derogatory term. They are paid to do a responsible job. This case is nothing to do with 'attracting staff'. Do you think the parents of this poor child care about that? Someone did their job incorrectly and it lead to a child's death. They must take responsibility, surely.

I work in a nursery and we have a traffic light system,placemats and food boards in place. Cook does hand over etc staff sign it off and between make sure meal is right and if there is any doubt challenge/check/ask. Obviously everywhere runs different but the fact no one thought to check what they were giving him was right and safe.. sad.

This is infuriating
“whoopsie never mind, you were busy, no biggie” is not an acceptable attitude to a death

If anyone is reading this and getting worried, don't be. It is scaremongering. The whole reason it makes the news is because it's - news. It is vanishingly rare.

Nurseries are safe precisely because there are so many staff. And the ratios are significantly higher in the UK than in other countries - that's one of the reasons we pay so much.

Exactly.

There are many, many excellent nursery workers who are poorly paid with huge responsibilities but manage not to be responsible for the death of a child in their care.

I work with someone like you 🙄

I don't understand why some posters always go on about poorly paid workers or minimum wage workers as if that's an excuse for everything.

It's actually really patronising.
Being on a low wage is not an excuse for being unprofessional or not doing your job properly.

No, the incident was not just one of those things, as we both know. It was the result of running childcare for profit - we have known this at least from the eighteenth century if not before!

Being ‘young’ and ‘poorly paid’ does not exempt you from a duty of care and being allergy aware
they should know the kids in their room/ group and double check who can eat what

Oh well, just one of those things, eh!!!!

I notice the parents say the nursery had one job, to look after their little boy. Sadly, that isn't true, their job was to look after a large number of children. And this is the problem of having almost universal childcare for under fives - they are placed in situations where harm can be done without anyone meaning to harm them. Better staff ratios and fewer children under the age of three in nursery settings, I think. But also we need to de-marketise childcare which at the moment is a profitable industry, not an education system. That needs to change (some hope 😪).
Edited for punctuation

If only I could get that message through to schools.
I never had an issue with nursery, they were consistently thorough and professional. But I am utterly ground down by having to explain to teacher after teacher that food isn't something benign that they can introduce into a lesson without any planning or paper trail of consent.

Thanks, just found it. It is a stat from 25 years ago and in the US. So a tad disingenuous of that poster to pop it in a list headed "England" and followed immediately by "for Britain the stats are quite high"

"Accidental poisoning" - looks more drastic when you put it like this, but that's what it amounts to when someone inadvertently feeds an anaphylactic child with their allergen. "Too busy" just doesn't cut it. Awareness and understanding of severe food allergies among the general public is dangerously inadequate, with many people not taking it seriously until a tragedy like this happens. It doesn't help that food allergy sufferers are often portrayed as figures of fun in the media, with allergic reactions being used for comedic effect. Examples include the recent movie "The Roses" and "Peter Rabbit" from a few years ago. The subliminal message is that this isn't a "real" condition, or at least something relatively harmless that a quick jab with an epipen can put right. "Waterloo Road" recently handled the subject with far more accuracy and sensitivity, with a devastating story line that will hopefully focus some minds.

Yes it is. Not applicable to the UK really.

A study on Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) found that about 20.4% of cases occurred in child care settings

Now this I am genuinely shocked at, given how little child care happens for children young enough to be at high risk. Is this US specific?

Of course many people use nurseries. How else are parents supposed to work. Childminders have limited availability and many of us don’t have free childcare you can use from family.

Not all nurseries are the same. I wouldn’t trust some nurseries with my children but others are very good.

Ultimately if no parents used nurseries how could most families afford to live? It would surely end up with far more people claiming benefits and poorer outcomes for children.

A child with allergies needs one to one.

Is there government funding for a 1:1 for a child with allergies at preschool? There won't be when they start school.

OP is talking about fatal incidents and acting like children are dying all of the time in nurseries. This is simply untrue and of course people will point that out.

My child was accidentally given milk while she was waiting to go up the dairy ladder (she'd had a very bad reaction the year before). Luckily she was fine as she'd outgrown the allergy. If she hadn't...

But I don't like using this incident as a way to get in a jab about not liking nurseries for under 3s. The reality in today's world is that many families can't afford to have someone at home so it is very harsh to make them feel bad for having to use childcare.