To think it is outrageous to ban women and girls over 13 from a fun run?

I said in my first post on this thread.

@JHound you seem to think it is entirely acceptable for a family event to exclude females aged over 12 but include younger females. Why is that?

No idea but it isn't the point in this case in particular.. Firstly, it's the wording about how inclusive it's supposed to be (noting that it's asking for all abilities, ages and anyone to join - so presumably anyone from any religion could also join) but then goes onto say that actually it's only for men and girls under the age of 12... There would be much less of an issue if a) it was advertised as just men's / boy's only - why can a 45 year old man run with a 10 year old girl, but a 14 year old girl or a 45 year old woman can't run? B) they were also at least offering a sign up for a women & girl's only race on another day.

Nothing wrong with splitting races by gender - lots of UK charities do this, but they generally offer an alternative for the other gender, it's generally designed for a men/women specific issue (like men's mental health charity / women's cancer charity for example) or there's other legitimate reasons - this is an event that doesn't appear to cover any of them! The organisers are also ignoring those who ask why.

Whereas this was to raise funds for various charity groups but they're deliberately excluding girls of a certain age & women. As I'd said in a previous post, my husband is a Muslim himself and even he was completely baffled by it (especially for this to occur here in the UK!) and thought it was totally wrong.

Why are you trying to remove the Equality Act from this discussion? It gives us a legal framework to prevent morally unjustified discrimination .

Is it because you want to argue that excluding women from this family fun run is moral and justified?

I must say I’m a little surprised to see someone who regularly argues AGAINST women’s rights to single sex spaces here now arguing for men’s rights. Oh wait…

Why is morality relevant? It's illegal
End of. Do you waste your life doing thought gymnastics about whether other illegal things are actually not that immoral and people should be able to do them or not? Bit of moral shop lifting anyone? 🙄

Of course it's immoral. A mens run for a male problem like testicular cancer - fine. An "inclusive family run" that excluded one member of the family - mums - not fine. And it's not fine because it's described as an event for the whole family, and everyone is allowed to come of both sexes and all ages EXCEPT adult women, who are actually part of families FFS. So it's not a fucking family run is it!? Also the reason why women are not allowed to take part is the problem. The disgusting sexist reasons women aren't allowed to run with their families are the big problems.

You seem to argue against women's rights on many threads. Why is that?

An event that is single sex is single sex for a reason. Upthread pp gave an example of a run to raise awareness of testicular cancer. Another good example is women’s breast cancer awareness.

As you may know, testicular cancer only affects men, therefore it would be perfectly reasonable to create a men only event.

This event was a family fun run.

Women are generally an important family member.

Reportedly some or the more religious men in the mosque said they didn’t want women there. So the organisers banned the group of females they deem to be ‘women’ ie all females age 12 and above. This says a lot about their view of women and their right to participate in ‘family’ events.

It is neither lawful or moral to exclude women from this event in the say so of some of the very religious men who believe that women shouldn’t participate in society on a level with men.

People, especially women , who think it is ok to treat women badly because of religion need to give their heads a big wobble.

Yes @Plantine wouldnt you be happier in a country that had Sharia Law? Were you born in Scandinavia or did you move there? Because if you’ve chosen to live in yet another devil Western country then why? As it’s clearly not in line with your values

Race for Life is aimed at women as they are by far the dominant sex affected by breast cancer. A single sex (for adults) space creates a safe space for vulnerable women affected by cancer treatment including mastectomies that can make returning to/ taking up running more challenging. Children can participate because to exclude children could prevent mothers from participating, so it is in the interest of women to allow children for childcare issues and prevent childcare from being an obstacle to participation.

If a male running event was set up to promote a male specific cause such as prostrate cancer or men's mental health, that would also be proportionate in creating a safe space to discuss sensitive issues.

Women of any religion face additional barriers to participating in sport for reasons such as culture and safety. If a group/ event was set up to promote running as a sport to demographics who are marginalised, that's fine. There are clubs set up for all kinds of demographics/ minorities to make sports more accessible.

What isn't fine is to say males can join, girls up to 12yo can join, but women can't join when there is no specific exemption to justify the exclusion. It hasn't been pitched as a men's event with children due to childcare; it's been pitched as a family fun run minus women and older girls past puberty. If anything, Muslim women would benefit from events to enable them to participate safely and appropriately (with their cultural practices) and open up the physical and mental benefits of sports such as running.
Some communities do have groups like this which is positive for many reasons.

Cool - go and quote the Equality Act at somebody who mentioned it.

You’re right. Morality is notoriously flexible. Luckily the law trumps it.

Cool.

But I didn’t mention the Equality Act. Legality and Morality are not synonyms.

And I have. It’s not a single sex event, which is why it’s potentially unlawful. Because of the EA.

I haven’t mentioned the Equality Act.

But this is not a single sex event. It’s an example of what the Equality Act calls ‘combined discrimination’ and is potentially unlawful unless other exceptions apply.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/14

Setting aside the law (as legality does not define morality imo) what really is the difference between a run that:

a) Allows men and boys but bars all women and girls

b) Allows men boys and girls under 12 but bars girls over 12 and women.

Morally, not legally. How can people be ok with a) but not b)?

Which is why I have no issue with this or other exclusionary charity related activities.

Why do people not read quote threads?

Of course this is wrong

We live in a progressive society, men and women are equal and so are boys and girls

we know this isn’t always the case in reality but we should not be turning a blind eye to when misogynistic rules are created

Yes, because that would be a proportionate means to a legitimate aim.

Only men can get testicular cancer so raising awareness for men is good.

A ‘family’ fun run that excludes all females over 12 would struggle to argue a legitimate aim for that exclusion without some serious mental gymnastics. Many pps have tried over several threads but none have achieved it.

I feel like understanding of how the Equality Act operates is growing.

I'm pretty sure that if the check your balls campaign ran a male only fun run to raise awareness of testicular cancer, no equality laws would be breached.

Iirc she's actually 9.

Any man who thinks a 13yr old girl is 'a woman' needs their harddrive checked.

@Plantine if you do genuinely despise Western values as regards women as you suggest, why are you living in Scandinavia? Wouldn’t you be happier in a Muslim country?

Bloody hell.

We're all oppressed, you're the only one that's free.

Someone corrected me and said she lives in Scandinavia. Sorry!

Why is she concerned herself with what happens here then? Very odd