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Friend and Continued Work Absence

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GentleWord · 14/10/2025 07:16

I have a friend who has some mental and physical health diagnoses. She qualified as a teacher more than ten years ago. She has worked in different settings - state schools, private schools, and preschools.

Since then, she has had a few jobs as a teacher, but on average, she has up to half the time she is employed off sick. This does become an issue, and mostly she has to move on.

Never quietly. It usually goes through legal channels and I know the company have settled at least twice.

Before, I didn't think much about this, but now I have reason to think about schooling, I don't think it is fair that she keeps taking jobs that she cannot do. I'm actually unsure how she manages to get a new job with her history but apparently schools have only very recently been demanding of the last reference and now you can give "bad" references.

I don't think it is fair on the children to have a teacher who is so unreliable. I don't think it is fair on the staff. I think after a decade, it should be clear to her and her family that she cannot be a teacher. However, I think they cling to her profession as a status thing.

The same pattern is occurring again where shw is started to have repeated and medium term absences from a job she started last year. I think this time I should be a bit more honest with her about her career and the other people affected by how she engages with her job.

Unreasonable - dont say anything and just support her

Reasonable - find the words to say that teaching isn't an appropriate career choice.

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ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 15/10/2025 15:45

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 13:16

No I think I am just over enabling someone in harming the education of many children. I get that some people think that friends are people who support you no matter what you do wrong but once we grow out of our immature toxicity, we know otherwise.

You think you've grown out of toxicity?

crackersinternational · 15/10/2025 15:04

I don't think not approving of someone's choices automatically makes you a bad friend. This is an anonymous forum after all and she's just venting some frustration. My relative who is like this is very hard to talk to with regard to her working life because she does absolutely think she has a right to being a teacher, the pay packet and other not so immediate benefits of being a teacher because she trained as one, but the reality is it's the idea of the job she's in love with and not the reality. She has got round the reference situation at least twice by going to work for an agency after leaving a permanent job. They asked for her former employers as references but sent her out on cover within a couple of days of her registering both times, presumably before the references came back. By this time the agency doesn't care any more what the old boss has to say if the school they are supplying is happy with her, and the schools she worked in as supply were happy with her short term stints, and she went back to some a few times. I'd imagine this is where the ok reference for the next permanent position came from. But in a permanent position the same thing happens as in the OP. She is, apart from this, a very nice person though.

ClaredeBear · 15/10/2025 14:57

Kimura · 15/10/2025 14:48

Oh she's either trolling or an absolutely horrible friend/person, 100%.

Of course not.

Kimura · 15/10/2025 14:48

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Oh she's either trolling or an absolutely horrible friend/person, 100%.

Kimura · 15/10/2025 14:46

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 14:31

Enabling her is supporting her in applying for more teaching jobs and not being honest about how unethical it is to mess around with people's education because she thinks she has the right to be a teacher despite her mental health issues that stops her being present.

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Well, she does have the right to be a teacher if she wants to, is qualified and schools hire her.

We absolutely should be supporting people with health conditions into work, not writing them off and sticking them on a till in a supermarket.

But given that you clearly don't feel that way, stop 'over enabling' your friend and tell her that she's incompetent, has no right to be a teacher, takes time off when things get difficult and is blagging her IBS.

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Kimura · 15/10/2025 14:38

crackersinternational · 15/10/2025 14:26

I think there are jobs where this kind of behaviour ie looking after number one and not evaluating what you can cope with, repeated indefinitely, is maybe more justifiable. But when the job is something like teaching where the people losing out don't have a choice as to whether or not they are there and actually the repercussions of them having a sub standard experience are possibly long term then it is really very selfish. Employers are not always the ones at fault. What makes you think they aren't trying to find good cover? Yes presumably she was given the jobs because the schools thought she was/would be a good teacher. But a teacher who isn't there isn't teaching anything, and how good she is at the job becomes irrelevant.

If we are giving this woman the benefit of the doubt here, then we know full well that you cannot plan for poor mental health episodes. She is presumably hoping that she will not fall so ill that she can't work.

People's mental health can improve dramatically; many people make full and permanent recoveries and work is often a key factor.

So she either keeps trying, or gives up her life's work and writes herself off, which I expect would have a devastating effect on her mental health.

I refuse to believe that she has been let go as often as she says she has for the same reasons, and not a single employer has picked this up through referencing before hiring her. Any employer that's on them.

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 14:31

Kimura · 15/10/2025 14:28

No they're not, they're unwell. A completely separate issue.

You STILL haven't said how you're over enabling her?

Enabling her is supporting her in applying for more teaching jobs and not being honest about how unethical it is to mess around with people's education because she thinks she has the right to be a teacher despite her mental health issues that stops her being present.

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GentleWord · 15/10/2025 14:30

TwinklyStork · 15/10/2025 14:04

That’s what agencies are for. If they are choosing not to use them or provide suitable cover, it’s on them. Not her. Why are you making excuses for the school when clearly their cover processes are what are “incompetent” here?
And I thought you said her absences were lengthy, in which case the school have plenty of time to source replacements. Make your mind up.

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Agencies do not provide consistent cover. They provide cover. Could be different person every day. If you are frequently absent at short notice, they will be very pushed to find the same person to cover your class at short notice. The people who suffer are the children. She's at home on PIP, whatever wages she manages to keep, extensive savings and an education provided by teachers who showed up to teach.

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Kimura · 15/10/2025 14:28

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 14:27

Yes someone who cannot consistently turn up to work to teach is incompetent.

No they're not, they're unwell. A completely separate issue.

You STILL haven't said how you're over enabling her?

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 14:28

TwinklyStork · 15/10/2025 14:02

She is not incompetent, she is unwell.
If she was incompetent she wouldn’t be given the jobs in the first place.
God, you’re awful. Absolutely bloody awful.

She gets the jobs because she is qualified. When they find out she is incompetent, they want rid of her.

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GentleWord · 15/10/2025 14:27

Kimura · 15/10/2025 14:21

She's incompetent now? Do you sit in the classroom with her as she teaches to assess her competency?

You haven't said how you're over enabling her.

Yes someone who cannot consistently turn up to work to teach is incompetent.

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crackersinternational · 15/10/2025 14:26

I think there are jobs where this kind of behaviour ie looking after number one and not evaluating what you can cope with, repeated indefinitely, is maybe more justifiable. But when the job is something like teaching where the people losing out don't have a choice as to whether or not they are there and actually the repercussions of them having a sub standard experience are possibly long term then it is really very selfish. Employers are not always the ones at fault. What makes you think they aren't trying to find good cover? Yes presumably she was given the jobs because the schools thought she was/would be a good teacher. But a teacher who isn't there isn't teaching anything, and how good she is at the job becomes irrelevant.

Kimura · 15/10/2025 14:21

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 13:56

Yes and she purposely makes it hard for them to do so by concealing the extent of her incompetence so they hire her at their own detriment and at the harm of the kids.

She's incompetent now? Do you sit in the classroom with her as she teaches to assess her competency?

You haven't said how you're over enabling her.

TwinklyStork · 15/10/2025 14:04

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 13:55

They cant provide consistent cover when the absence is so unpredictable. The people that suffer are the children.

That’s what agencies are for. If they are choosing not to use them or provide suitable cover, it’s on them. Not her. Why are you making excuses for the school when clearly their cover processes are what are “incompetent” here?
And I thought you said her absences were lengthy, in which case the school have plenty of time to source replacements. Make your mind up.

TwinklyStork · 15/10/2025 14:02

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 13:56

Yes and she purposely makes it hard for them to do so by concealing the extent of her incompetence so they hire her at their own detriment and at the harm of the kids.

She is not incompetent, she is unwell.
If she was incompetent she wouldn’t be given the jobs in the first place.
God, you’re awful. Absolutely bloody awful.

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 13:56

Kimura · 15/10/2025 13:55

How are you over enabling her?

As others have said, it's the responsibility of the school to ensure the children get adequate education.

Yes and she purposely makes it hard for them to do so by concealing the extent of her incompetence so they hire her at their own detriment and at the harm of the kids.

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GentleWord · 15/10/2025 13:55

TwinklyStork · 15/10/2025 13:50

Oh, for goodness’ sake. Dramatic much?
Your question should be directed at the school, if you have an issue with that, and it should be “why are you not providing suitable cover for someone off sick so that their education is not interrupted?”
That’s on the school, not on your friend. If anyone is “failing the children”, it’s the school.

They cant provide consistent cover when the absence is so unpredictable. The people that suffer are the children.

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Kimura · 15/10/2025 13:55

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 13:16

No I think I am just over enabling someone in harming the education of many children. I get that some people think that friends are people who support you no matter what you do wrong but once we grow out of our immature toxicity, we know otherwise.

How are you over enabling her?

As others have said, it's the responsibility of the school to ensure the children get adequate education.

TwinklyStork · 15/10/2025 13:50

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 12:32

Why do you think you're so flippant about children having a decent education with a consistent educator? How far does this callous attitude towards children's human rights extend?

Oh, for goodness’ sake. Dramatic much?
Your question should be directed at the school, if you have an issue with that, and it should be “why are you not providing suitable cover for someone off sick so that their education is not interrupted?”
That’s on the school, not on your friend. If anyone is “failing the children”, it’s the school.

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 13:16

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 15/10/2025 12:48

You seem confused about what a friend is.

No I think I am just over enabling someone in harming the education of many children. I get that some people think that friends are people who support you no matter what you do wrong but once we grow out of our immature toxicity, we know otherwise.

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ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 15/10/2025 12:48

You seem confused about what a friend is.

GentleWord · 15/10/2025 12:32

TwinklyStork · 15/10/2025 11:26

Ohhhhh won’t someone think of the chillllllllldren!

Absolute nonsense.

Why do you think you're so flippant about children having a decent education with a consistent educator? How far does this callous attitude towards children's human rights extend?

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TwinklyStork · 15/10/2025 11:26

Nearly50omg · 15/10/2025 08:31

She needs to grow up and stop blaming other people for her own decisions!!! And get a different job that doesn’t affect children’s futures!!

Ohhhhh won’t someone think of the chillllllllldren!

Absolute nonsense.

Nearly50omg · 15/10/2025 08:31

TwinklyStork · 14/10/2025 19:19

So she’s struggling to cope with MH issues caused by her parents by desperately trying to stay in a job she can’t cope with because they forced her into a professional degree?
That doesn’t make it any better, OP.

She needs to grow up and stop blaming other people for her own decisions!!! And get a different job that doesn’t affect children’s futures!!