To call for this charity to be sued under UK equality act ?!

Apologies, can’t Edit the post above but I should have been clearer:

I didn’t mean Race For Life was required to change their criteria due to legal challenges (at least one was unsuccessful based on sex discrimination), I meant that they themselves ultimately did change their criteria and that came after being challenged more than once. The young boys being allowed join in with their mothers being the first change I think, after a woman made a challenge as she wished to run with her son. Then the mixed sex race it is today happened after that.

Do you have a reference for that
Google is your friend, and no it wasn’t anything Lily Madigan did. It had been challenged long before that, a man named John Taylor initiated it I think, but he wasn’t the only challenger.

And I’m not ‘pushing for questioning the legality’ of anything, I’m explaining what has already happened.

Finally, your point about boys in female spaces is a good one as it highlights nicely the difference between that and what has happened in this charity event.
Male babies and young boys are being invited in (for obvious reasons) to those single sex females spaces as an exception. The necessity of a single sex space in a woman’s refuge can be clearly explained and evidenced, in regard to safeguarding in particular, to ensure it complies with the EA Exemption.
In the case of the charity event, girls and women are being excluded from the event and no reason, that would comply with the EA Exemption has been stated. It will be interesting to see what they think the reason for applying the Exemption is, if they are challenged.

Exactly. Why should we allow women to be discriminated against just because of religion?

Let’s remember that the vast majority of Muslim women are born into the religion - they have no choice. The barriers for exit can be very high. I had a friend who was excommunicated from her entire family and social group because she didn’t want to be Muslim any more. Death can also be a consequence of leaving.

Why do Muslim women in this country apparently have more choice than Muslim women in other countries? It is because of our laws. We can’t continue to allow this slippery slope of religious groups being allowed to ignore the law. That ended very badly in Rotherham and the many other cities where police and authorities turned a blind eye to the Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs. They don’t turn a blind eye to the white sex abuse gangs.

I’d be really interested to know where this does stand legally tbh. Would it have to be a woman who had wanted to take part who took this to court?

Or is it the council who should be taken to court for allowing them to go ahead? Should they just have refused permission m, or said “men only is fine or children only, but not this mix”?

Because it seems all kind of wrong, doesn’t it? It’s suggesting that girls cease to be people who can take part in life when they reach 13.

The right to freedom of religion is an individual right, so it shouldn’t trump holding a non discriminatory event.

I'm interested to understand why you think it's a lie? Is it specifically the Somalia number?

A woman who wanted to participate but was barred from doing so.

What’s a disgusting lie?

Why fot you read the document?

Thank you. I saw that comment.

Here are the stats and the link to the current government document for anyone who missed them. I know it is shocking that in this day and age this is still a major issue but it is.

All are overwhelmingly Muslim countries (bar Eritrea which is 50:50).

60,000 girls are at risk in the UK - that’s 60,000 families that want to do this to their girls. We cannot allow any religious groups to think they are exempt from any UK law.

Countries with which UK residents are most likely to have links and which have a high prevalence of FGM, noting that estimates of FGM vary over time and between data sources
Change to table and accessible view
Estimated prevalence of FGM¹ (%)
Somalia 98
Egypt 87
Sudan 87
Sierra Leone 86
Eritrea 83
Gambia 76
Ethiopia 65
www.gov.uk/guidance/female-genital-mutilation-fgm-migrant-health-guide

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/female-genital-mutilation-fgm-migrant-health-guide

1 girl is different to 98% of women
That's a disgusting lie
I'm talking about the stats not about how horrible the practice is
98%?
How laughable
No wonder WHO has become a joke

Someone upthread said that it’s not an inclusive event. The inclusive (as we see it) part is based on the spectator side - anyone is able to make a day out of it, cheer on and observe, just like you would with the London Marathon.

It took place in a public park, in the same way parkrun or the London Marathon are run in public places so anyone in the area can watch and cheer if they wish....how does this make the run that excludes females over 12, "inclusive"? I mean I suppose its infinitely better than saying they are excluded from watching as well- but I think its a stretch to say its inclusive because they are able to watch (thats not the same as participating imo)

Document last updated on the 13th September 2021.

Take that up with the Government and the WHO if you don’t believe them - it’s their stats.

No one will thank you for your pretentious outrage.

I think the 60,000 girls IN THE UK identified as being at risk of FGM might thank us for raising awareness with a view to preventing it. 🤷‍♀️

I think you have a serious amount of reading up to do before you continue with your eye watering level of ignorance. Start by listening to Nimco Ali, FGM campaigner. One girl subjected to this barbaric practice is one girl too many don’t you think?

A reminder, all bar one of those countries are overwhelmingly Muslim (Eritrea is apparently Muslim and Christian)

www.gov.uk/government/news/fgm-campaigner-nimco-ali-appointed-as-tackling-violence-against-women-and-girls-adviser

Maybe these stats would've been somewhat accurate 30 years ago?
But not today so I'm not sure where such shocking lies come from 🤔
Not sure who you are, but you sound like you have some sort of agenda.
No one will thank you for your pretentious outrage.

It's so sad to see such intolerance of bigotry against women. Mumsnet is becoming a racist cess pit.
Why can't you all be more understanding of different cultural beliefs and practices.
Discrimination against women is price worth paying for the strength diversity gives this country.

Its not odd behaviour at all.

Its the regulatory body and has various sanctions at its disposal.

Reporting to the Charity Commission for a breach of the EA would be entirely correct.

Are you pretending not to understand the situation?

Actually as it's for women and anyone who identities as a woman, then it doesn't comply as it discriminates against some men. If it was just for women it would be fine.

@PencilsInSpace @Underthinker thank you both for succinctly articulating why " just sue the mosque "! As a pp is hell bent on, isn't the only course of redress or the most appropriate action in some cases.. I didn't realise that I was being goaded into staying silent and shutting up, until you highlighted that aspect either.

Even if you have a strong case, legal action is risky, expensive, time consuming and stressful. Your attitude that people should sue or stay silent is a feeble attempt to stop people highlighting an injustice.

No it isn't.

There is a pre-action protocol to comply with. You are expected to enter into correspondence with the aim of avoiding court action if possible. You are required to show you have legal standing - i.e. you need some sort of evidence that you have been directly affected. You have to pay court fees, you have to find money for legal advice and representation and if you lose (which is always a possibility) you are liable for the other side's costs as well.

Court action is always a last resort. Very often there are other routes to redress that are far quicker, cheaper and less stressful, such as involving a regulatory body, but the first step is always to complain in writing to the organisation that is discriminating.

Well as long as that’s the consensus, then I appreciate the debate.

I would love to hear from Muslim women who were unhappy about this, absolutely. Although it’s not exactly clear on this thread who is a Muslim woman on this thread. My guess is that there is no representation on this thread - happy to be corrected.

Yes it would.

Sex discrimination is wrong no matter who is doing it.

People take part in charity runs because they believe in the cause.

Except that if they are female above the age of 12 they can’t, not because they chose not to but because they abuse they were deliberately excluded.

Why do you think it’s ok for a Muslim women and girls to be excluded from a ‘family’ event? Should we listen to the Muslim women who are not happy about this or just ignore them?