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Does anyone else feel like this about Gaza/Israel?

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 10:19

I know it sounds awful, but I’m desperate for a break from Gaza. I feel like we’ve had 2 straight years of hearing about absolutely nothing else. It feels like you can’t switch the radio on, or open Facebook, or even pop to the shop without hearing chants of PALESTINE and having flags waved in your face. It’s been absolutely relentless, and wildly disproportionate compared to other conflicts and atrocities around the world.

Of course it’s hideous that so many civilians have been killed, in particular children. But it feels like Palestine truly believes it is the only population who suffered during the 1940s and is the only country to ever lose territory or be reshaped by global events. I feel like everyone else adjusted to their new normal, for the sake of peace, while Palestinians just continue what seems like an infinite grudge which is then met with harsher repressions by Israel as they have to defend themselves.

It’s utterly exhausting the globe and I have zero hope they will now smell the coffee and take the opportunity to kick Hamas out because ultimately they don’t want peace. Hamas did not drop out of the sky, they and Oct 7 had high support until they started losing, and I think it’s very unlikely they will ever be willing to move on from past events.

AIBU to think we now just need to leave them to it for the sake of all involved?

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LJ125 · 13/10/2025 11:42

You don’t sound educated on this subject at all. You can choose to switch off the news if you don’t want to hear or read about it anymore but doing so is perpetuating your ignorance on the topic

Liverpool2025 · 13/10/2025 11:42

And NO ONE will pay fur murdering these beautiful souls, even though the whole world knows who killed them.

SpottedDeer · 13/10/2025 11:42

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 10:19

I know it sounds awful, but I’m desperate for a break from Gaza. I feel like we’ve had 2 straight years of hearing about absolutely nothing else. It feels like you can’t switch the radio on, or open Facebook, or even pop to the shop without hearing chants of PALESTINE and having flags waved in your face. It’s been absolutely relentless, and wildly disproportionate compared to other conflicts and atrocities around the world.

Of course it’s hideous that so many civilians have been killed, in particular children. But it feels like Palestine truly believes it is the only population who suffered during the 1940s and is the only country to ever lose territory or be reshaped by global events. I feel like everyone else adjusted to their new normal, for the sake of peace, while Palestinians just continue what seems like an infinite grudge which is then met with harsher repressions by Israel as they have to defend themselves.

It’s utterly exhausting the globe and I have zero hope they will now smell the coffee and take the opportunity to kick Hamas out because ultimately they don’t want peace. Hamas did not drop out of the sky, they and Oct 7 had high support until they started losing, and I think it’s very unlikely they will ever be willing to move on from past events.

AIBU to think we now just need to leave them to it for the sake of all involved?

Ukrainian flags went out of fashion and were replaced with Palestinian flags. Just people virtue signalling that 'they care' about some conflict on the other side of the world which is nothing to do with them, without actually doing anything about it.

When people put the Ukrainian flags on their houses I hoped Ukrainian refugees would knock on their front doors asking for money and supplies and maybe even housing. At least then for these narcissistic virtue signallers lessons would be learned when saying no to their every request got too embarrassing.

MorrisZapp · 13/10/2025 11:42

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 10:43

And people in Nigeria? Who can’t avoid their slaughter but have no coverage either?

Are the Nigerians being bombed by a democratic nation state?

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 13/10/2025 11:41

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 11:35

Utter rubbish. If I did some self reflection it’s probably more because I’m sick of Brits.

Well, if you're not liking being on a UK based website, there's a lot of other internet out there...

WindOfUserNameChange · 13/10/2025 11:39

Mousewoman · 13/10/2025 11:32

The mainstream media coverage on this has been very reserved when it comes to coverage of the atrocities inflicted by Isreal - the horror of tens of thousands of children killed and maimed has been missing from my TV.More child amputees in Gaza than anywhere else in the world, or in any other war. I follow lot's of Palestinian journalism, plus UN, and aid charities, the cruelty against children has made me cry. And I have a feeling that if those children had been white, we would have seen their faces, and know at least 1 of their names.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/oct/08/young-lives-cut-short-on-an-unimaginable-scale-the-18457-children-on-gazas-list-of-war-dead

Young lives cut short on an unimaginable scale: the 18,457 children on Gaza’s list of war dead

Every name on a list compiled by health authorities in Gaza of the child victims of Israel’s offensive

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/oct/08/young-lives-cut-short-on-an-unimaginable-scale-the-18457-children-on-gazas-list-of-war-dead

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 11:35

Liverpool2025 · 13/10/2025 11:32

What a disgusting comment.

Beautiful souls were murdered even yesterday ( after the 'ceasefire.').

The IDF originally agreed to release the hostage Doctor Safiya and then took his name off the release list.

You're not fed up of hearing about Gaza. You started a thread on it, in order to show how you believe that the people being murdered and taken hostage deserve it because of who runs their country.

Utter rubbish. If I did some self reflection it’s probably more because I’m sick of Brits.

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 11:33

PaisleyGilmourStreet · 13/10/2025 11:29

I admire your honesty @Rattanlamp. Ignore the snide supercilious comments; a sense of fatigue regarding the situation is a perfectly human response (and we're all only human).

The ceasefire is welcome, Trump deserves credit (he strong armed both Israel and hamas).
It DOES though feel somewhat hollow, given that the hostility remains as ever (the 'forever' war) and in likelihood will reignite at some point (because a two state solution requires the all but impossible - recognising the legitimacy of the other).

Thank you.

I have no problem saying yes this is/was a genocide - this has been independently verified by respectable sources. If were living in post WW2 era I wouldn’t support the creation of Israel by the mass deportation of Palestine’s inhabitants - but it is here now and to dismantle it would cause WW3 and untold hardship to Jews who have suffered immeasurably as it is, so in that sense I’m a pragmatic Zionist.

But I feel the relentless looking backward, Godwin’s Law and incessant references to Colonialism are just self loathing people who are now shit stirring for egotistical reasons.

Hamas, Israel, basically the whole of the ME: the war is over
Corbyn: no it isn’t, keep fighting because I say so!

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Mousewoman · 13/10/2025 11:32

The mainstream media coverage on this has been very reserved when it comes to coverage of the atrocities inflicted by Isreal - the horror of tens of thousands of children killed and maimed has been missing from my TV.More child amputees in Gaza than anywhere else in the world, or in any other war. I follow lot's of Palestinian journalism, plus UN, and aid charities, the cruelty against children has made me cry. And I have a feeling that if those children had been white, we would have seen their faces, and know at least 1 of their names.

Liverpool2025 · 13/10/2025 11:32

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 10:19

I know it sounds awful, but I’m desperate for a break from Gaza. I feel like we’ve had 2 straight years of hearing about absolutely nothing else. It feels like you can’t switch the radio on, or open Facebook, or even pop to the shop without hearing chants of PALESTINE and having flags waved in your face. It’s been absolutely relentless, and wildly disproportionate compared to other conflicts and atrocities around the world.

Of course it’s hideous that so many civilians have been killed, in particular children. But it feels like Palestine truly believes it is the only population who suffered during the 1940s and is the only country to ever lose territory or be reshaped by global events. I feel like everyone else adjusted to their new normal, for the sake of peace, while Palestinians just continue what seems like an infinite grudge which is then met with harsher repressions by Israel as they have to defend themselves.

It’s utterly exhausting the globe and I have zero hope they will now smell the coffee and take the opportunity to kick Hamas out because ultimately they don’t want peace. Hamas did not drop out of the sky, they and Oct 7 had high support until they started losing, and I think it’s very unlikely they will ever be willing to move on from past events.

AIBU to think we now just need to leave them to it for the sake of all involved?

What a disgusting comment.

Beautiful souls were murdered even yesterday ( after the 'ceasefire.').

The IDF originally agreed to release the hostage Doctor Safiya and then took his name off the release list.

You're not fed up of hearing about Gaza. You started a thread on it, in order to show how you believe that the people being murdered and taken hostage deserve it because of who runs their country.

AnnaFrith · 13/10/2025 11:30

Barnbrack · 13/10/2025 10:42

Just to check, you know the news you're watching current right? Not 1940s footage? I get the impression it's the current levelling of towns and cities and mass murder of civilians that 'gaza' is bothered by more than anything. Also when people talk about Gaza as if it's an entity. The news you're watching isn't some machine named Gaza, it's families like yours, settled in their home region with no hope for escape constantly treated like vermin to be exterminated rather than human beings with feelings and previously full lives

It's tragic for the innocent victims, especially children, but it's important to remember the responsibility for the devastation of Gaza lies entirely with Hamas.

PaisleyGilmourStreet · 13/10/2025 11:29

I admire your honesty @Rattanlamp. Ignore the snide supercilious comments; a sense of fatigue regarding the situation is a perfectly human response (and we're all only human).

The ceasefire is welcome, Trump deserves credit (he strong armed both Israel and hamas).
It DOES though feel somewhat hollow, given that the hostility remains as ever (the 'forever' war) and in likelihood will reignite at some point (because a two state solution requires the all but impossible - recognising the legitimacy of the other).

Glistening · 13/10/2025 11:29

Barnbrack · 13/10/2025 10:42

Just to check, you know the news you're watching current right? Not 1940s footage? I get the impression it's the current levelling of towns and cities and mass murder of civilians that 'gaza' is bothered by more than anything. Also when people talk about Gaza as if it's an entity. The news you're watching isn't some machine named Gaza, it's families like yours, settled in their home region with no hope for escape constantly treated like vermin to be exterminated rather than human beings with feelings and previously full lives

Yes, said what I wanted to.

OP. “Gaza’s” children are just like your children. Their parents love them just as you love your children. These are people just like us. Before all this happened these people had a range of manual and professional jobs just like in our society, Their children went to school just as ours do. Their young people and adults were highly educated - far more so than many populations. They had pets they loved, festivals and family events they looked forward to. Homes they had bought or rented and filled with furniture and objects to their own personal tastes.

I do not get the sense you are capable of truly comprehending this. Which means it’s a waste of time really for you to enter into discussions on this subject.

botheredandbewilderedagain · 13/10/2025 11:26

Palestinians just continue what seems like an infinite grudge which is then met with harsher repressions by Israel as they have to defend themselves.

If this is all you have taken from the reporting on Gaza, may I gently suggest that you should have paid more attention.

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 11:22

AliceMaforethought · 13/10/2025 11:21

You're just being disingenuous now. C'mon. When have you EVER seen one of the 'Free Palestine' brigade protest against Hamas?

Never. No Jews, no news’

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DottieMoon · 13/10/2025 11:21

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CharlotteAnnaFitz · 13/10/2025 11:21

Hamas did not drop out of the sky, they and Oct 7 had high support until they started losing

How much do you know about the state of democracy, voting rights and genuine press freedom in Gaza pre-Oct 7?

AliceMaforethought · 13/10/2025 11:21

Bundleflower · 13/10/2025 11:20

No. I’m not. That’s information only you must be privy to about the ‘useful idiots’.

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You're just being disingenuous now. C'mon. When have you EVER seen one of the 'Free Palestine' brigade protest against Hamas?

Hellovation · 13/10/2025 11:21

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · 13/10/2025 10:27

Hopefully you'll get the break you need soon. There has been loads of news coverage but weirdly none of it has focused on the real victim which turned out to be you.

this may be the best response I’ve ever read on MN.

Bundleflower · 13/10/2025 11:20

AliceMaforethought · 13/10/2025 11:19

Quite a few? Are you having a laugh? You know perfectly well that these useful idiots won't be marching against Hamas.

No. I’m not. That’s information only you must be privy to about the ‘useful idiots’.

AliceMaforethought · 13/10/2025 11:19

Bundleflower · 13/10/2025 10:44

Probably quite a few. I don’t know of anybody who supports terrorists. I hope that the innocent people of Palestine will one day be free of any oppression from anybody.

Quite a few? Are you having a laugh? You know perfectly well that these useful idiots won't be marching against Hamas.

Bundleflower · 13/10/2025 11:19

GreatWhiteJar · 13/10/2025 11:13

This is fascinating OP. All the comments are against you but half the voters agree with you. It doesn’t suggest that healthy debate is alive on this topic if basically all the people who agree feel they can’t comment.

Usually on Palestine/Israel threads it’s the opposite way. That’s the fascinating thing here.

AliceMaforethought · 13/10/2025 11:16

I feel exactly the same. People are being quite disingenuous in their responses. I don't know why people talk about Gaza to the exclusion of all other conflicts, it is truly bizarre. And yes, I am sick of it as well.

DaringlyDizzy · 13/10/2025 11:16

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 10:19

I know it sounds awful, but I’m desperate for a break from Gaza. I feel like we’ve had 2 straight years of hearing about absolutely nothing else. It feels like you can’t switch the radio on, or open Facebook, or even pop to the shop without hearing chants of PALESTINE and having flags waved in your face. It’s been absolutely relentless, and wildly disproportionate compared to other conflicts and atrocities around the world.

Of course it’s hideous that so many civilians have been killed, in particular children. But it feels like Palestine truly believes it is the only population who suffered during the 1940s and is the only country to ever lose territory or be reshaped by global events. I feel like everyone else adjusted to their new normal, for the sake of peace, while Palestinians just continue what seems like an infinite grudge which is then met with harsher repressions by Israel as they have to defend themselves.

It’s utterly exhausting the globe and I have zero hope they will now smell the coffee and take the opportunity to kick Hamas out because ultimately they don’t want peace. Hamas did not drop out of the sky, they and Oct 7 had high support until they started losing, and I think it’s very unlikely they will ever be willing to move on from past events.

AIBU to think we now just need to leave them to it for the sake of all involved?

Hamas didnt drop out the sky - it was formed after over TWENTY years of mass killing and displacement. They do want peace. Israel has broken EVERY ceasefire agreement previously. Im sure all the news youve been hearing recently has informed you that even yday israel dropped bombs on another ME country?

Also Gaza wants FAIR rights. Not to be on the bottom of a 5 tier system. What israel wanted was to bomb them into submission and then continue with a system where they are treated as less

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 13/10/2025 11:16

Congratulations on your first ever post on Mumsnet, where your posts of exclusively been discussing a subject that you apparently don't want to think about anymore.

😂😂😂😂

Discussion about genocide is uncomfortable for a reason. It might be because it's an awful thing.