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Does anyone else feel like this about Gaza/Israel?

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 10:19

I know it sounds awful, but I’m desperate for a break from Gaza. I feel like we’ve had 2 straight years of hearing about absolutely nothing else. It feels like you can’t switch the radio on, or open Facebook, or even pop to the shop without hearing chants of PALESTINE and having flags waved in your face. It’s been absolutely relentless, and wildly disproportionate compared to other conflicts and atrocities around the world.

Of course it’s hideous that so many civilians have been killed, in particular children. But it feels like Palestine truly believes it is the only population who suffered during the 1940s and is the only country to ever lose territory or be reshaped by global events. I feel like everyone else adjusted to their new normal, for the sake of peace, while Palestinians just continue what seems like an infinite grudge which is then met with harsher repressions by Israel as they have to defend themselves.

It’s utterly exhausting the globe and I have zero hope they will now smell the coffee and take the opportunity to kick Hamas out because ultimately they don’t want peace. Hamas did not drop out of the sky, they and Oct 7 had high support until they started losing, and I think it’s very unlikely they will ever be willing to move on from past events.

AIBU to think we now just need to leave them to it for the sake of all involved?

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 16:05

And for complete and absolute clarity, before Mrs Bennett tries to retrospectively edit her comment or say ‘I read that completely differently…’ here is a verbatim extract:

"We have received assurances from the brotherly mediators and the US administration, all confirming that the war has come to a complete end," Khalil al-Hayya said in a speech broadcast on Al Jazeera.

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 15:45

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 13/10/2025 15:23

How am I saying the opposite to the other parties that you listed? Please provide evidence for your claim that they think "it's over". Because I don't think that's what they're saying at all.

Your random and pointless comments about Tim and Katherine from Oxford are simply a means of trying to deflect from the fact that you can't actually back up your claims.

Trump seems to think "it's over", I grant you. But he wasn't on your list and he isn't known for his grasp on the detail.

Literally a cursory google will provide you statements from every party mentioned that the war is over. Why on earth can’t you just admit it? This Western desire to cling to endless conflict is utterly bizarre. The below was the first thing that came up when I typed ‘Hamas’ and ‘war over’.

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20251008-gaza-ceasefire-deal-reached-israel-hamas-peace-trump-us

Hamas Gaza chief says he received US assurances that the war has ended

Hamas’s exiled Gaza chief Khalil al-Hayya said the Palestinian militant group received guarantees from the US,  Arab mediators and Turkey that the war in Gaza has "come to a complete end" in a televised…

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20251008-gaza-ceasefire-deal-reached-israel-hamas-peace-trump-us

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 13/10/2025 15:23

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 15:17

And the peace agreement is the business of the involved regions and nothing to do with Tim and Katherine who live in Oxford and have been aggressively waving flags for 2 years.

You’re literally saying the opposite to the ‘other parties’ you speak of.

How am I saying the opposite to the other parties that you listed? Please provide evidence for your claim that they think "it's over". Because I don't think that's what they're saying at all.

Your random and pointless comments about Tim and Katherine from Oxford are simply a means of trying to deflect from the fact that you can't actually back up your claims.

Trump seems to think "it's over", I grant you. But he wasn't on your list and he isn't known for his grasp on the detail.

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 15:19

Paddington5 · 13/10/2025 14:52

Which charity is this please?

I know she’s worked with UNICEF but I don’t know if PP meant another one

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 15:18

TheGreatDownandOut · 13/10/2025 14:53

I agree to a point OP. Not that the UK government should ‘leave them to it’ but the amount of people whipping themselves up in to a frenzy over a foreign war that they can’t control is very surprising. I know of several people who aren’t just vocal about their views, but are actually obsessed with it.

On the first page, you have someone posting saying that people who think this way ‘must be on the Israeli side’ - nah, I’m not on any ‘side’

But it seems that, like during Covid when everyone became an expert virologist, everyone is now an expert on foreign affairs.

I’ve seen pro-Palestine protestors being questioned about their views and I honestly don’t think most would be able to find it on a map.

Yes!!!!! Nail on head.

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 15:17

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 13/10/2025 15:06

This is just a stupid post. I don't think any of the parties that you have listed have actually claimed that it's "over" - please provide evidence for this claim.

It isn't "over" because we currently have a ceasefire but no peace agreement.

Trump might not understand the difference between the two, but I'm pretty sure that all of the other parties do.

And the peace agreement is the business of the involved regions and nothing to do with Tim and Katherine who live in Oxford and have been aggressively waving flags for 2 years.

You’re literally saying the opposite to the ‘other parties’ you speak of.

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 13/10/2025 15:06

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:44

Hamas say it’s over.
Israel say it’s over.
Egypt say it’s over.
All other Muslim majority countries in the region say it’s over.

Corbyn and Mrs Bennett: ‘It’s not over!!! Watermelons’

This is just a stupid post. I don't think any of the parties that you have listed have actually claimed that it's "over" - please provide evidence for this claim.

It isn't "over" because we currently have a ceasefire but no peace agreement.

Trump might not understand the difference between the two, but I'm pretty sure that all of the other parties do.

TheGreatDownandOut · 13/10/2025 14:53

I agree to a point OP. Not that the UK government should ‘leave them to it’ but the amount of people whipping themselves up in to a frenzy over a foreign war that they can’t control is very surprising. I know of several people who aren’t just vocal about their views, but are actually obsessed with it.

On the first page, you have someone posting saying that people who think this way ‘must be on the Israeli side’ - nah, I’m not on any ‘side’

But it seems that, like during Covid when everyone became an expert virologist, everyone is now an expert on foreign affairs.

I’ve seen pro-Palestine protestors being questioned about their views and I honestly don’t think most would be able to find it on a map.

Paddington5 · 13/10/2025 14:52

EmpressOfTheThread · 13/10/2025 11:00

You know where I got my information from? Sophie, Duchess of Edinburgh. She visits her charities there and has been speaking about women and girls being victims of sexual violence in war. It was a very, very difficult read indeed. She is doing, perhaps in a small way, good work.
I was able to contribute to a charity which helps support the victims of sexual violence.

Which charity is this please?

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 14:45

fireandlightening · 13/10/2025 14:44

I think we could be best friends 😂

You can march together! Against… something!

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fireandlightening · 13/10/2025 14:44

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · 13/10/2025 10:27

Hopefully you'll get the break you need soon. There has been loads of news coverage but weirdly none of it has focused on the real victim which turned out to be you.

I think we could be best friends 😂

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 14:18

Stompythedinosaur · 13/10/2025 14:02

Your solution to being faced if a horrific, terrible genocide is to expect the victims to put up with it so your feelings aren't hurt by having to be aware?

Rather than expecting the aggressors to stop their ethnic cleansing?

I think that's a very difficult perspective to support.

Yes, that’s exactly what I said, I can tell you’ve read all my posts.

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Stompythedinosaur · 13/10/2025 14:02

Your solution to being faced if a horrific, terrible genocide is to expect the victims to put up with it so your feelings aren't hurt by having to be aware?

Rather than expecting the aggressors to stop their ethnic cleansing?

I think that's a very difficult perspective to support.

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 13:58

Hoppinggreen · 13/10/2025 13:17

We pretty much were in Koln and Hiroshima was questionable

I never cease to be amazed by the military prowess of Mumsnet users who are convinced they would’ve deftly achieved their battle aims without a single civilian life lost. More of you should join the army, you’re desperately needed!

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 13:57

DashboardConfession · 13/10/2025 13:36

Does this one make you a bit uncomfy too, OP? Transparent as a fucking window you are. I'm out

How convenient.

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DashboardConfession · 13/10/2025 13:36

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:42

Ok but let’s not make this about Ireland - I appreciate I used 1 comparator but this is not about Ireland

Does this one make you a bit uncomfy too, OP? Transparent as a fucking window you are. I'm out

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 13:23

Hoppinggreen · 13/10/2025 12:58

And there we have the true agenda

It’s funny how when it’s pro-Hamas/‘Palestine’ it’s a genuinely and sincerely held opinion, yet when it’s people who see both sides it’s an ‘agenda’. What’s the difference in your eyes?

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 13:22

Hoppinggreen · 13/10/2025 13:17

We pretty much were in Koln and Hiroshima was questionable

How do you feel about the end result?

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Hoppinggreen · 13/10/2025 13:17

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:38

So we were the baddies in WW2? And responsible for the mass killing of German citizens, who technically hadn’t touched a hair on our heads?

We pretty much were in Koln and Hiroshima was questionable

Sartre · 13/10/2025 13:07

Mealy82 · 13/10/2025 10:29

I find it very odd that there are several areas of the world, such as Nigeria, Sudan and China, where there are mass killings going on. Far more people have been killed in those countries than in Gaza. Apparently in two of those places they unequivocally meet the criteria for genocide.

And yet there is absolutely nothing on the BBC about this. Almost noone knows that these genocides are happening.

It’s because the west aren’t massively involved. We hear incredibly Eurocentric news in the mainstream media if you hadn’t noticed. If we don’t have a political alliance or interest, forget about it.

Hoppinggreen · 13/10/2025 12:58

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 10:43

And now Hamas have picked up the torch and are murdering Palestinians themselves, I wonder how many anti Hamas marches we can expect?

And there we have the true agenda

WildLimePoet · 13/10/2025 12:57

Only if the Palestinians actually controlled events.

Wars and conflicts of this nature are setup and orchestrated by interested parties. If the Middle East is at peace, who will buy the billions of dollars worth of arms and defence services currently being sold.

Iraq war cost the US taxpayer $1 trillion. And who won the defence contractors, the cronies and lobbyists of US govt. All in the name of WMDs that never existed.

Peace in the Middle East is not good for business.

vivainsomnia · 13/10/2025 12:54

The answer is obvious. The media only have one interest, money. They will report on what sell ans what sell is what people are most likely to want to read.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 13/10/2025 12:54

millymollymoomoo · 13/10/2025 12:50

I’m bored if it because it’s utterly depressing that people have been gaslit to believe Israel is the enemy. Hamas are 100% to blame for this. Israel has been providing aid, and Hamas won’t allow it through. Hamas release the stats of which most are not certified. Hamas release the pictures which are later verified as propaganda

and gullible people go round spouting genicude: nonsense

Or maybe you have been gaslit to believe that Israel has been providing aid?

Perhaps if Israel had allowed independent journalists into Gaza to see what was actually happening on the ground, we could all be more confident in the information that we are receiving.

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:51

millymollymoomoo · 13/10/2025 12:50

I’m bored if it because it’s utterly depressing that people have been gaslit to believe Israel is the enemy. Hamas are 100% to blame for this. Israel has been providing aid, and Hamas won’t allow it through. Hamas release the stats of which most are not certified. Hamas release the pictures which are later verified as propaganda

and gullible people go round spouting genicude: nonsense

Like a ceasefire I actually think they’re terrified of Netanyahu ending up in ICC because if the facts come out in a way that doesn’t suit them itl be ruinous

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