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I want to start eating meals as a family but there are so many hurdles to overcome

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Rockininthefreeworld · 12/10/2025 19:59

Please don't judge me. I'm really looking for some advice and just feel so dissatisfied with our whole set-up 😔

I have felt bad about the fact that we never eat as a family. We have two children, age 6 and 2, and they always eat separately to us. This is for a number of reasons...

  1. DH is a very fussy eater, and won't eat 90% of the things I make for the children
  2. DH and I both work full-time until around 6pm, making eating together quite challenging. Having said that, we both work from home a lot, so it is do-able with some planning (but then, see point 1...)
  3. We have a kitchen island but no room for a dining table, which means eating together in the kitchen is just sitting in a row. This makes conversations feel a bit challenging.
  4. We have a dining room (although carpeted...) and I'd love us all to eat in there, but DH gets very very funny about mess and smells. I've tried to approach the subject but he just gets annoyed and shuts it down. He uses the dining room to work, which is very annoying to be honest because I feel like that's a whole social room that we've just completely lost out on.

The 2 year old is at nursery full time which does give him "social eating" time, and I think the 6 year old is fine because we do eat out and I often go back to my parents where we sit together at the table. But, he also gets very bored if I'm not constantly entertaining him and he's not a stranger to the tablet at the table. I hate that and feel quite ashamed.

I just don't know how to handle this. I feel so dissatisfied with the whole arrangement, but DH isn't going to support me with it and it feels difficult trying to do it in the kitchen anyway. I just want us to have a nice family meal together, even just at the weekends, but even if we manage that it still has to be in the friggin' kitchen and no-one will talk to me, DS will moan for his tablet and DH will be on his phone. I've tried to implement this before (in the kitchen), and it just felt pointless in the end because I felt like I was fighting a losing battle.

Does anyone have any advice? 🙁

OP posts:
Ddakji · 13/10/2025 13:56

Rockininthefreeworld · 13/10/2025 13:52

@TwinklyStork I want to be mindful of all of this, but I don't know how to handle it. I don't necessarily think he's doing any of it on purpose, but what am I supposed to do? He won't get help, he doesn't think anything will help and won't even entertain it

I’m sorry how this is turning out. But he’s leaving you no choice.

The next question is, does he understand how things will work if you separate, how he will have the children by himself, without you as a buffer, and will have to get on with parenting two little individuals? And that if he continues like this, refusing help, refusing to compromise, the end result is that he won’t see his children or be part of their lives?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/10/2025 13:54

Yes, call his bluff.

Just start living the way you want to live and he can like it or lump it.

Blondeshavemorefun · 13/10/2025 13:52

Rockininthefreeworld · 13/10/2025 10:59

@Zempy the conversation will basically go "we're going to be eating in the dining room now"
"No you're not, I don't want kids eating in there"
"Yes we are, it's important for their development and I want us to interact together over meals"
"I can't handle you all eating in there. And I don't like the smells. If that's what you want to do then fine I'll just leave then shall I?"

It'll be the same ending if I bring up frying food. And what has happened in the past. "You know I can't handle those smells. If that's what you're doing to insist on doing then I'm just going to have to move out." Obviously said in a very angry way.

I know everyone will turn around and say "fine, let him". But that's a really big deal and I just need to ready myself for that

Call his bluff

yes he can leave

if he doesn’t reliese he sounds that you have a dining room that you can’t use for all of you as he doesn’t want food in it 🙄

Rockininthefreeworld · 13/10/2025 13:52

@TwinklyStork I want to be mindful of all of this, but I don't know how to handle it. I don't necessarily think he's doing any of it on purpose, but what am I supposed to do? He won't get help, he doesn't think anything will help and won't even entertain it

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Rockininthefreeworld · 13/10/2025 13:50

Our subsequent conversation went as I predicted.

He said that the children don't need variety in what they eat. He's more than happy with how he's turned out and trying a variety of flavours really doesn't matter. If they grow up limited it's fine, because he's fine. I reminded him that everyone around him really isn't fine, but that seemed to have no impact.

I said it feels like he's saying to me that either I fall in line or he leaves. He said he's not making threats, just that he physically cannot cope with cooking smells and he cannot live in that environment, so he'd have to leave. I said there are a million other alternatives, like disappearing for the day whilst I batch cook, but apparently that's still not okay because the smells "get into the walls".

He said he doesn't understand the issue because we can make the kitchen island work and that should be enough. I realised as we were talking that yes, I could make the kitchen island work, and that would probably be fine, but I don't want to. I'm so tired of making endless compromises for a man who will never do the same for me.

At this point it's more about how he's handled this than anything else. Immediately dictating that we can't use the dining room rather than trying to get to the root of why I want to.

I understand his issues and I understand certain things must be really hard, but I've lived like this for 12 years and I just want to be heard. I don't feel like I have a say at all. We can't do any work to the house because building work stresses him out. I can't use the log burner because he hates smoke (despite the fact it goes up the flue...), I can't leave the backdoors open, we can't even open the dining room door half the time because he doesn't want the cat in there.

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TwinklyStork · 13/10/2025 13:48

Qwerty21 · 13/10/2025 13:39

You know he can be both right? The arsehole bully bit comes in because he's being controlling and demanding, making no effort to deal with his issues or compromise even as much as swapping his office space

Does it not occur to you that perhaps he's trying to control it because he can't cope with his anxiety around it, rather than because he woke up that day and deliberately decided to be an arsehole?

Qwerty21 · 13/10/2025 13:39

TwinklyStork · 13/10/2025 13:13

Or he's an autistic man with untreated OCD around cooking smells. It's really common in autistic people, and while I know anecdote does not equal data, my friend's son had exactly the same thing manifesting in exactly the same way and as far as I know still does in his 40s although it's not so severe now he's living on his own in supported accommodation and can control it a bit more. It was an awful way for him to have to live when he was still at home, the poor lad couldn't bear it and spent most of his life shut in his room.

Having read the thread this is a far more likely explanation than the old "he's a man, therefore he must be an arsehole and a bully" trope.

You know he can be both right? The arsehole bully bit comes in because he's being controlling and demanding, making no effort to deal with his issues or compromise even as much as swapping his office space

Babyboomtastic · 13/10/2025 13:35

Rockininthefreeworld · 13/10/2025 11:55

@Babyboomtastic but if I left him, the kids would have a broken home and miss out on the fun times we have together as a family. I just can't imagine what that would be like. We're great when we go out, but the rules inside the house are really starting to get to me.

Another example is we have bifold doors out to the garden, and at the weekend DS wanted to open them. We never open them and I think he just wanted to experience the ease of going from the kitchen to the garden! I love having them open. DH however hates it because it lets all the cold air in. I mean, he's not wrong, it does let all the cold air in, but...it's only for 20mins and it's fun for the kids. This is where I'm more relaxed and would rather just go with the flow, whereas DH will put his foot down.

Naturally that then upset DS who can't understand why he can't have the doors open (and DH doesn't communicate anything properly so they just clash), and I'm left wondering what I'm supposed to say... am I supposed to back DH because we're a "partnership" (at least as far as the kids are aware)...I quite like the doors open!

I know this is sad, but you already have a broken home. You have kids that are growing up walking on eggshells, not even allowed to use the lovely doors you have.

You are teaching children that a man dominates everything. You're teaching them terrible ideas about food, that it's something shameful. Your kids feel uncomfortable even going into the dining room, which should be communal space because your husband has taken it over as his private domain.

The issues are clearly a lot wider than food. You mention your husband doesn't even go for meals with your parents. You say he dictates almost every area of life with his inflexibility. He is threatening to leave you if you cook fried food.

As I said I have massive issues with food. I understand about him throwing the soup away. I remember a couple of years ago cooking pizza, and someone cut the only pizza I would eat, with a pizza wheel that hadn't been washed from a different pizza. Let's just say I went hungry. But that doesn't excuse his irrational behaviour. He clearly has enough intelligence to hold down a job and a partner, so he should understand the consequences of his actions.

If he was away for a few days, say with work, do you (or would you, if he never goes) feel liberated at the freedom you have for those few days? I suspect you would.

TwinklyStork · 13/10/2025 13:32

Starlight1984 · 13/10/2025 13:19

But autism or OCD doesn't mean he's allowed to completely dominate one room of the house and not allow anybody else in there. Or that he's allowed to insist that the bi-fold doors are closed on a warm and sunny day even though everyone else wants them open just because he doesn't like it.

There are plenty of options available to him if he can't handle the cooking smells from the kitchen but the rest of it IS arsehole and bullying behaviour.

I didn't say it was, but let's not just assume he's deliberately being an arsehole because he's a man. He very likely has a disability, at the very least a really unpleasant and difficult mental health condition.

RandomMess · 13/10/2025 13:31

Have you at least visited the conversation with your DH that he swaps his office with yours which actually resolves the smell issue. He can go sit upstairs on his own safe from them.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 13/10/2025 13:28

Have you considered making a list of all your husbands rules. Maybe over the next week as they occur to you?
Then I'd suggest that you sit down with him, run through them and the impact it is having on you as a family and suggest that he is tested for autism, and if it's OCD that he gets some therapy as you can't continue to live like this. There are mitigations - a garden office, or relocating to the spare room that he won't even consider because, he won't flex. AT ALL. So by inference, either he needs therapy or he's an actual selfish arse.

I have a similar family member in the extended family. He was such an absolute arse that without a diagnosis we all [including his mother] armchair diagnosed him as probably Asbergers with a hefty dose of OCD to boot and we managed him accordingly. At some point in conversation with one of the family, they made reference to his Aspergers and to everyone making allowances for him. He took HUGE offence and as if by magic, a large number of his arseholish and bullying behaviours just stopped.......

Jamfirstest · 13/10/2025 13:23

Imagine how lovely the house atmosphere would be if you left him. Kiss running in and out to the garden. Family sit down meals every night together chatting about their day at school and sharing news. Friends over for tea whenever they like.

op have you told him you have considered leaving him over this because I would. And I mean this in a kind and supportive way x

Starlight1984 · 13/10/2025 13:19

TwinklyStork · 13/10/2025 13:13

Or he's an autistic man with untreated OCD around cooking smells. It's really common in autistic people, and while I know anecdote does not equal data, my friend's son had exactly the same thing manifesting in exactly the same way and as far as I know still does in his 40s although it's not so severe now he's living on his own in supported accommodation and can control it a bit more. It was an awful way for him to have to live when he was still at home, the poor lad couldn't bear it and spent most of his life shut in his room.

Having read the thread this is a far more likely explanation than the old "he's a man, therefore he must be an arsehole and a bully" trope.

But autism or OCD doesn't mean he's allowed to completely dominate one room of the house and not allow anybody else in there. Or that he's allowed to insist that the bi-fold doors are closed on a warm and sunny day even though everyone else wants them open just because he doesn't like it.

There are plenty of options available to him if he can't handle the cooking smells from the kitchen but the rest of it IS arsehole and bullying behaviour.

autienotnaughty · 13/10/2025 13:17

Get a large plastic sheet for the dining room.

aim to eat together at weekends at least and get everyone use to it.
plan meals in advance. I’m autistic and have issues around food, dd has adhd and DS is also asd and dh eats anything but is fussy about seasoning and how it’s cooked. So I’ll do things like jacket potatoes or Mexican (rice, chicken wraps) so everyone can choose toppings etc. or spag bol but dd will add chill powder and have it with rice, dh will add veg and beans. And the rest of us will have it as prepared. Sunday roast and some have mash, some roast, some want pea others have all veg.

TwinklyStork · 13/10/2025 13:13

Babyboomtastic · 13/10/2025 11:48

Seriously, what do you see in this man? What is he bringing to your lives?

He seems to be a bully who expects absolute obedience to his every whim or he'll make life intolerable.

It doesn't have to be like this.

Or he's an autistic man with untreated OCD around cooking smells. It's really common in autistic people, and while I know anecdote does not equal data, my friend's son had exactly the same thing manifesting in exactly the same way and as far as I know still does in his 40s although it's not so severe now he's living on his own in supported accommodation and can control it a bit more. It was an awful way for him to have to live when he was still at home, the poor lad couldn't bear it and spent most of his life shut in his room.

Having read the thread this is a far more likely explanation than the old "he's a man, therefore he must be an arsehole and a bully" trope.

Pigeonpoodle · 13/10/2025 13:12

bigsoftcocks · 13/10/2025 13:06

The biggest Thing that will determine your children’s ability to eat at the table Is the model provided by parents and other adult adults and children? They will struggle to learn without this.

How does your child cope if they go to have tea at a friends house and they eat at the table?

More than that, pretty much the biggest thing that will determine your children’s whole life will be the family dynamic in which they are brought up.

If their father is allowed to be a controlling arse who gets away with his imposing his will, and passing all the work of cooking and mealtimes onto you, with him making excuses, it’s THAT which will give them a crap basis for their future.

CowTown · 13/10/2025 13:12

What do you eat for Christmas dinner? Where do you eat it?

Do you never have family over for meals? DC doesn’t have friends over?

Having a dining room that is “off limits” for eating is very strange…does your DH understand this? Does he also understand that his “issues” are preventing his DC from developing a healthy relationship with food and trying new flavours? Before you know it, you will have children who only eat XYZ. I know you think that the school meals are offering variety, but most schools are on a fortnightly menu, so it will be the same 10 dishes on repeat. Your DC will not be learning proper table manners in a school environment either. In my opinion, children should be eating with adults who can model the proper use of cutlery, etc—you don’t want your DCs not knowing how to exhibit good table manners when they go out into the world.

Your DH is being very selfish here, and is stunting his own DCs’ growth in this area—he needs to grow up, get a grip, and get himself some CBT.

Pigeonpoodle · 13/10/2025 13:08

Starlight1984 · 13/10/2025 13:06

This. You're required to bow down to his every need in order for your kids to not be witness to his tantrums and sulking. I'm assuming it's the same with your "fun" days out. He gets to decide where you go based on his needs? Then and only then can everyone have fun.

That isn't a partnership.

Yes, I would bet good money that the fun days out are strictly on his terms. Besides, how can you even have a “day out” if you can’t eat together?

bigsoftcocks · 13/10/2025 13:08

99bottlesofkombucha · 13/10/2025 13:06

The op has offered him an upstairs room for his workspace. So they can serve food in the dining room like everyone else and it isn’t in his workspace because he is using the perfectly good alternative offered to him that means the dining room can be a dining room.

I feel more and more like I’d have beaten him with a cast iron pan then fried up a nice meal in it and had a lovely family meal with my kids in the dining room.

Ah thank you I missed the bit about the alternative workspace upstairs, I’d assumed if he’s working in the dining room that was all that was available.

bigsoftcocks · 13/10/2025 13:06

The biggest Thing that will determine your children’s ability to eat at the table Is the model provided by parents and other adult adults and children? They will struggle to learn without this.

How does your child cope if they go to have tea at a friends house and they eat at the table?

99bottlesofkombucha · 13/10/2025 13:06

bigsoftcocks · 13/10/2025 13:04

I get the point about not having food smells in his workspace. That’s a preference that can be respected. But he needs to compromise In other ways. For example, You could eat a meal on the table in the dining on a Friday then the room can air over the weekend and the smells will be gone by Monday assuming he doesn’t work weekends.

Carpet picnic of cold things, Including things he will eat, Would be really helpful for the DC to see him eating “normally “

Overall, you’re gonna have to reset the whole situation in your house. Regardless of the reason your husband’s issues are ruining your life and shaping your children’s life and attitude to food immensely.
I cannot imagine the situation I wasn’t allowed to make a fairly standard family meal like spaghetti Bolognese.
Even if he had to be out whilst it was cooking or out for the day whilst it’s cooked and eaten by the three of you.

He doesn’t get to dictate that far, surely And expect to remain married?

I’m not discounting his personal issues with all these things. I’m sure it’s deep seated, but he needs help with it as it’s impacting others.

The op has offered him an upstairs room for his workspace. So they can serve food in the dining room like everyone else and it isn’t in his workspace because he is using the perfectly good alternative offered to him that means the dining room can be a dining room.

I feel more and more like I’d have beaten him with a cast iron pan then fried up a nice meal in it and had a lovely family meal with my kids in the dining room.

Starlight1984 · 13/10/2025 13:06

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/10/2025 12:26

Have you asked him why this partnership you're supposedly in requires you to back him up but not the other way round?

This. You're required to bow down to his every need in order for your kids to not be witness to his tantrums and sulking. I'm assuming it's the same with your "fun" days out. He gets to decide where you go based on his needs? Then and only then can everyone have fun.

That isn't a partnership.

bigsoftcocks · 13/10/2025 13:04

I get the point about not having food smells in his workspace. That’s a preference that can be respected. But he needs to compromise In other ways. For example, You could eat a meal on the table in the dining on a Friday then the room can air over the weekend and the smells will be gone by Monday assuming he doesn’t work weekends.

Carpet picnic of cold things, Including things he will eat, Would be really helpful for the DC to see him eating “normally “

Overall, you’re gonna have to reset the whole situation in your house. Regardless of the reason your husband’s issues are ruining your life and shaping your children’s life and attitude to food immensely.
I cannot imagine the situation I wasn’t allowed to make a fairly standard family meal like spaghetti Bolognese.
Even if he had to be out whilst it was cooking or out for the day whilst it’s cooked and eaten by the three of you.

He doesn’t get to dictate that far, surely And expect to remain married?

I’m not discounting his personal issues with all these things. I’m sure it’s deep seated, but he needs help with it as it’s impacting others.

Leopardspota · 13/10/2025 12:49

Is he getting help for his issues? CBT for his OCD? Exposure therapy? (I’m no expert, can you tell!) but I feel that although his issues aren’t his fault they are his responsibility when they impact others, especially his children who cannot choose whether to be around him or not.

So, these issues are his responsibility. This is a HIM issue. How can he be as comfortable as possible with normal things like cooking and eating? He owes it to his children!

Could you have the bifold open when you cook?

ChicaWowWow · 13/10/2025 12:41

Rockininthefreeworld · 13/10/2025 10:59

@Zempy the conversation will basically go "we're going to be eating in the dining room now"
"No you're not, I don't want kids eating in there"
"Yes we are, it's important for their development and I want us to interact together over meals"
"I can't handle you all eating in there. And I don't like the smells. If that's what you want to do then fine I'll just leave then shall I?"

It'll be the same ending if I bring up frying food. And what has happened in the past. "You know I can't handle those smells. If that's what you're doing to insist on doing then I'm just going to have to move out." Obviously said in a very angry way.

I know everyone will turn around and say "fine, let him". But that's a really big deal and I just need to ready myself for that

Let him leave then, he's a massive twat!