Genuine question for anti-vaxxers

Well that’s a load of shit. Anti vaxxers (and I know loads) are almost obsessive about food and nutrition. They feel that that makes them able to not vaccinate because they keep their kids so healthy by natural means. Also usually no meds so well into homeopathy.

The only anti vaxxers I know, don’t tend to worry about what they consume. I doubt they’re drug free, let alone looking after their micro biome.

Kids on cheese strings and corn flakes 😂

Huh? How do you know they’re feeding them HPF?

This is a sad story, but does nothing to increase trust in the medical profession which is what people need if they are going to vaccinate.

Firstly, the child died because of their leukaemia and the treatment for it. If anyone is to blame for him getting measles then it’s the hospital who have forgotten how to do infection control.

It is obvious that there will be contagious people in hospital, so you’d think the medical professionals would have enough sense to keep an immunocompromised child away from one with measles. Why didn’t they?

How do you know the child with measles wasn’t vaccinated anyway?

It is not my child’s responsibility to risk their own health for anyone else, that’s the bottom line.

And again the child died WITH measles not OF measles therefore herd immunity was irrelevant in that case as the measles did not kill the child.

When it came on the news the other day, I was in the car with my 14 year old. I showed him the picture of Diana meeting with the patients in hospital, and how honestly ground-breaking it was at the time. It's really, really hard to get young minds round the fact that there was a very real fear.

All that's great until it's your child dying because you refused a vaccine because your "research" means you thought there was less risk from the disease than the vaccine.

What additional evidence do you want about safer vaccines and transparency? The MMR in particular as that's the one I'm talking about here?

I wonder if Antivaxors consider the side effects of all the Ultra High Processed Food that I assume they fill their kids with.

That’s incredibly sad but based on many comments I’ve seen on this thread, that still wouldn’t change the minds of people that are choosing not to vaccinate. I had someone respond to me incredulously that part of my decision to vaccinate might include other people’s wellbeing - they thought I must be lying. I don’t even think of myself as that altruistic, I’d say it’s pretty basic! It’s quite shocking where we’ve got to in seemingly so short a time.

A teenager in our village was being treated for Leukaemia, chemo had wrecked their immune system. At a hospital appointment, another child had measles, which the teenager caught from them, ans was affected very badly. Their funeral was very well attended last week. It was the measles that killed him. If the other child had been vaccinated he would have continued on the road to recovery. Get your kids vaccinated.

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Yes to the horror. And I know this is a side tangent but I think it is important.

When I teach the BTEC unit on health promotion I play a film that is just news reports about HIV / AIDS. The teenagers are horrified. Horrified that Ryan White was barred from school. Horrified at police wearing washing up gloves at a protest.

They really struggle to get their heads around the fear.

Forcing people to inject medications for herd immunity is completely unethical. Nobody should be obligated to sacrifice their bodily autonomy for other people.

Herd immunity could be better encouraged by safer vaccines and more transparency.

You don’t think it was rational to be wary of the Covid vaccines given the number of vaccine injuries and adverse reactions there were (e.g. the massively under-investigated effect on menstrual cycles) and the fact that large groups of the people who were given it did not and could not benefit from it?

I think that’s actually very rational.

Right, right. Not your child or my child that died, so you're comfortable being a complete pedant about the language I used?

Are you so completely ignorant to the fact that the whole "herd immunity" thing means that this child (who may or may not have had the immunisation) may have been better protected from measles if the uptake of the MMR wasn't lower than 75% in Liverpool? The only thing we know about them is that they had other health issues. And that they died.

Frankly that's a disgusting response. A child died.

And so do tick bites

I think the troulbe is that suspicion of vaccines is natural, but not rational (unless you have significant genetic or immunoligical conditions to be considered). I posted just earlier about the potential link with GBS, but the risk is significantly lower than the danger of, say, crossing the road.

People get fed up because the overall success of a vaccination program depends on uptake.

No. Because there’s no evidence that any should be avoided.

You have a very narrow-minded view there.

Hasn’t it ever occurred to you that the vaccination debate might be more nuanced?

That there might be people who are happy to accept certain vaccinations but have concerns about others?

It seems there is some evidence that vaccinations can trigger Guillain-Barré syndrome (a rare neurological condition causing muscle weakness and paralysis), but the risk is so low (a few cases per million) that the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks. Of course that's not much consolation to those who do develop GBS after a vax. It would be interesting to know more about why this happens (rarely). It looks as though there is probably some kind of genetic factor involved, and/or immunological disorder.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-guillain-barre-syndrome-information-for-healthcare-professionals/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-guillain-barre-syndrome-gbs-following-covid-19-vaccination

I can blame any body for anything I want but it doesn’t mean it true

Was that proven that that was the cause of the disability.

Because I have a relative who was permanently disabled by a vaccine - she went from a completely normal primary-school aged child to being profoundly learning disabled.

Like all medicines, vaccines can sometimes have side effects. Rarely, these can be severe. Vaccines are the only medications for which this is denied, probably because they are the only medicines that are forced upon us.

Instead of working to improve safety and researching the causes and risk factors for severe adverse reactions, pharmaceutical companies deny and whitewash, and have their flying monkeys attack anybody with the slightest concerns as an "anti-vaxxxxxer", or claiming that they think vaccines cause autism.

Few people are actually against vaccines, they just want them to be safer, and the true risks to be acknowledged and dealt with.

Of course, the diseases the vaccines prevent have side effects themselves, but you'll find that most of those affected malnourished people, which is a controllable risk.

Lot of lawsuits going on but I don’t think they have a chance really, in the long run. Hopefully

I don’t know where you live but it’s getting worse here bc of that lunatic Kennedy being in charge right now.