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Cyclists have made my home city too stressful to live in any more

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valianttortoise · 12/10/2025 11:51

Cycling on the pavement (on e-bikes, racing bikes, whatever) at speed, silently, no lights often, no pausing for pedestrians to cross at zebra crossings or even green men. An e-bike nearly hit me yesterday while a policeman was literally standing there watching (outside a government building in case you're wondering where on earth I saw a live one) and he did nothing, just looked at me like "wow that was close!"

I can't handle it any more it's miserable. I can't drive so it's not a car thing it's a pedestrian safety thing.

I also think seeing that it's fine to do this, in balaclavas often, is sending a message that crime and bad behaviour in general are ok. No one will stop you.

Some men (boys? hard to tell in balaclavas) on e-bikes provided by the council took an angle grinder into a busy central square last week and just calmly cut out bicycles from stands to steal them (obviously a crime I feel conflicted about in itself but how long until they realise they can just mug pedestrians at knifepoint? It was 3pm, bright sunshine).

I find it kind of hard to believe what we're just supposed to live with now. No safe spaces for walking - forget about it if you're visually impaired.

If you live somewhere with no antisocial cyclists where is it please as I'd like to join you.

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Arran2024 · 15/10/2025 20:56

Redpeach · 15/10/2025 20:41

Not if you have loads of parking for bikes

So we get rid of all cars so there is space for bikes? That's unrealistic. The problem is on residential roads, where people live. Round here they take bikes home from say the railway station after a night out. Older kids use them to go to school and leave them outside hoping the bike will still be there next day. People visit the park to go for a cycle but leave it here and get the bus home.

They are leaving the bikes at the point where they don't want them any longer. They are not going to take them to a parking area several streets away.

We can't use these bikes as my daughter has epilepsy. We have to drive her everywhere. I would be very unhappy if the council took away all on street parking to make parking spaces for bikes. They already removed the bus lanes for cycle lanes. It is all about helping cyclists at the expense of the elderly, disabled, people with buggies etc.

RedLeggedPartridge · 15/10/2025 20:53

E-bike injuries are a massive burden, say surgeons www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2ejgrw9yepo

lljkk · 15/10/2025 20:46

Bristol... Cambridge... Exeter ... Peterborough ... St. Albans ... Sheffield... Aberdeen...

LameBorzoi · 15/10/2025 20:45

valianttortoise · 15/10/2025 20:30

Honestly the absolute arrogance, arse in the air so everyone must behold your crack as you race up the pavement (our space!) yet somehow still unembarrassable shit attitude of cyclists gives me the physical disgust shudders.

Honestly, I just want to get safely to where I need to go, riding with courtesy in spaces that I'm legally entitled to be. And I'd like to be given the same courtesy in return.

Redpeach · 15/10/2025 20:44

London?

lljkk · 15/10/2025 20:43

Not Ipswich or Norwich or Leeds...
York?

Redpeach · 15/10/2025 20:42

valianttortoise · 15/10/2025 20:29

But you are the bad guy to pedestrians. We don't owe you our tolerance you can hurt and kill us and you don't NEED to ride your stupid bloody bicycle!

Do people need to drive their cars?

lljkk · 15/10/2025 20:42

Milton Keynes?
Glasgow?
Reading?

Redpeach · 15/10/2025 20:41

Arran2024 · 15/10/2025 12:53

The whole point is that you leave it where you want. People are not going to leave the bike at an allocated space then walk the rest of their journey.

Not if you have loads of parking for bikes

lljkk · 15/10/2025 20:41

Birmingham? How would I know?
How can you say "worst in UK" at balancing peds & cyclists unless you've spent a lot of time walking around all the other cities.

LameBorzoi · 15/10/2025 20:35

valianttortoise · 15/10/2025 20:29

But you are the bad guy to pedestrians. We don't owe you our tolerance you can hurt and kill us and you don't NEED to ride your stupid bloody bicycle!

You don't NEED your car, you should just walk.

See how that sounds?

Your car is far, far more likely to kill or injure a pedestrian than my bike is.

valianttortoise · 15/10/2025 20:35

lljkk · 15/10/2025 20:32

What city is it, OP?
A city means at least 100k people, so not identifying you to say which city.

I would say it's the worst city in the UK for pedestrian safety around cyclists. A combination of shit entitled cyclist culture (despite possibly also having the best pavement connections and public transport of any city) and insane cycle paths facilitated by a council that wanted Active Travel Budget moolah but didn't want to pay for someone with even normal levels of health and safety awareness.

See if you can guess.

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lljkk · 15/10/2025 20:32

What city is it, OP?
A city means at least 100k people, so not identifying you to say which city.

valianttortoise · 15/10/2025 20:30

Honestly the absolute arrogance, arse in the air so everyone must behold your crack as you race up the pavement (our space!) yet somehow still unembarrassable shit attitude of cyclists gives me the physical disgust shudders.

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valianttortoise · 15/10/2025 20:29

LameBorzoi · 15/10/2025 11:27

What are you talking about?

I'm generally a polite person. I'm not excusing nastiness.

However, everyone has limits. And after decades of being vilified by drivers and pedestrians alike, due to the fact I have nowhere safe or separate to ride, I am about and the end of mine.

But you are the bad guy to pedestrians. We don't owe you our tolerance you can hurt and kill us and you don't NEED to ride your stupid bloody bicycle!

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Arran2024 · 15/10/2025 12:53

Redpeach · 15/10/2025 10:33

Turn car parking spaces into ebike parking (lime etc), fewer cars, more bikes

The whole point is that you leave it where you want. People are not going to leave the bike at an allocated space then walk the rest of their journey.

LameBorzoi · 15/10/2025 11:27

stuffedpeppers · 15/10/2025 11:20

Lameborzoi - seriously we all get frustrated but if you are a cyclist that gives you a god given right to be an arsehole - attitudes like this is what gives cyclists a bad name

What are you talking about?

I'm generally a polite person. I'm not excusing nastiness.

However, everyone has limits. And after decades of being vilified by drivers and pedestrians alike, due to the fact I have nowhere safe or separate to ride, I am about and the end of mine.

stuffedpeppers · 15/10/2025 11:20

Lameborzoi - seriously we all get frustrated but if you are a cyclist that gives you a god given right to be an arsehole - attitudes like this is what gives cyclists a bad name

Redpeach · 15/10/2025 10:34

TempestTost · 14/10/2025 23:04

This is not so much a problem in the small town that I work in. Bikes are not that many, and the traffic is not bad and most bikers are just in the flow of traffic in town.

In the nearby city it is a shit show. There are clearly some problem demographics - mainly young university students, and the lycra crowd - both don't seem to care at all about other users of the road or spaces like parks.

However, there are systemic issues imo too. One is that the e-bikes and e-scooters are just so prone to being problematic. They go too fast, they are too quiet, and there are so damn many of them. They seem to come up so fast in places where you wouldn't expect that of a bike. It seems to me like they didn't think there would be so many, except they have given several companies contracts to leave them around town for anyone to use. They also massively litter up spaces when people drop them when they are done. It makes the city look like shit.

In general though their attempts at bike infrastructure seem to have gone really wrong somehow. They seem to be reaching for a kind of Dutch style bike utopia, but it's not worked out that way for various reasons, despite knocking down streets full of 100 year old trees to install bike lanes. There are more bikes but it's topped out and I think it's because they have made things too complicated. Which does not make people feel safe.

Cars lining every street, makes cities look like shit

Redpeach · 15/10/2025 10:33

Arran2024 · 15/10/2025 09:58

Omg it isn't having to see them. It is trying to navigate past them. They are just left on the pavement and I explained how we can't get past. I don't know why you consider this to be a trivial matter. Loads of complaints from pedestrians - blind people, people with buggies, mobility scooters, dogs in particular. Hammersmith and Fulham have removed the contract from Lime because of the problems.

It's another example of cyclists doing what they want regardless of anyone else. Are you genuinely ok with this?

Turn car parking spaces into ebike parking (lime etc), fewer cars, more bikes

LameBorzoi · 15/10/2025 10:08

Arran2024 · 15/10/2025 09:58

Omg it isn't having to see them. It is trying to navigate past them. They are just left on the pavement and I explained how we can't get past. I don't know why you consider this to be a trivial matter. Loads of complaints from pedestrians - blind people, people with buggies, mobility scooters, dogs in particular. Hammersmith and Fulham have removed the contract from Lime because of the problems.

It's another example of cyclists doing what they want regardless of anyone else. Are you genuinely ok with this?

It's just such a non-issue. And as a pp points out, so easily solved.

Its so, so trivial and tiny compared to the social, health, and economic disaster that is our absolute dependence on cars.

Arran2024 · 15/10/2025 09:58

LameBorzoi · 15/10/2025 08:55

Oh no! You might have to see some bikes! The calamity!

Omg it isn't having to see them. It is trying to navigate past them. They are just left on the pavement and I explained how we can't get past. I don't know why you consider this to be a trivial matter. Loads of complaints from pedestrians - blind people, people with buggies, mobility scooters, dogs in particular. Hammersmith and Fulham have removed the contract from Lime because of the problems.

It's another example of cyclists doing what they want regardless of anyone else. Are you genuinely ok with this?

LameBorzoi · 15/10/2025 09:03

Benvenuto · 15/10/2025 07:55

That’s certainly been an issue where I live. It does depend on how determined the councillor with the transport portfolio is, but when they aren’t very determined it tends to go something like this.

Council proposes plans to make the roads safer.
People complain because it’s all for “the cyclists”.
Council waters down plans so they don’t meet engineering standards and builds routes.
Cyclists aren’t doing what people think they should be doing (because the plans have been watered down so the routes aren’t fit for purpose) and the routes are generally not very good (because they don’t meet engineering standards).
Despite having got what they wanted, the same people continue to complain about cyclists and council because the routes are rubbish.

Even where we have had road safety measures put it due to really dangerous driving or roads being structurally unsafe, some people still persist in believing / commenting that the sole reason for these changes is to get at drivers.

What’s so sad about this is that there are regular collisions and people are getting hurt or even killed and there are solutions such as Vision Zero. But if we can’t have a local debate focussed on facts and engineering standards, it’s very hard to do anything about this.

Oh exactly!

I think people still expect to be able to drive into town and park in front of the shop like people did in 1983. They forget there are five times as many people and ten times as many cars in the area.

They think that removing five parking spaces to put in a bike lane is depriving them of shopping and will kill business in the city centre - despite the fact that parking in the city centre has been impossible since 2003.

LameBorzoi · 15/10/2025 08:55

Arran2024 · 15/10/2025 08:02

That's simply not true. They are everywhere round here - partly because we live near a school and a large park which people come to visit, and cycly in - so the pavements are very affected. If I were to go outside right now I would be able to see several.

One of my dogs is in a wheelchair and getting to the park is a nightmare because we can't get past on the pavement.

And it is because of these problems that many councils are becoming increasingly exasperated with Lime.

I may be in a "golden zone" for Lime bikes but it is certainly a real issue round here.

Oh no! You might have to see some bikes! The calamity!

Meadowlands · 15/10/2025 08:34

I am a car driver, a cyclist and a pedestrian.
It is definitely a question of :

  1. ATTITUDE
  2. ADEQUATE CYCLE LANES It is a joy to be a cyclist in most European cities The rule is cars give way to cyclists, and cyclists give way to pedestrians. And it works ! Result - fewer cars polluting roads, far more cyclists out getting exercise and keeping fit in old age. And happy pedestrians.
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