To go on holiday without kids?

'maybe because you haven’t given birth and experienced all the pressure and strife and cripplingly high expectations placed on mothers these days' Could you elaborate? Who places this on mothers or do they place this (whatever this is) on themselves?

Having not given birth does not mean I don't what is to be responsible for, or care for children. I have been a stepmum for 10 years.
'you can’t empathise with a mother simply trying to maintain some semblance of her sense of self and her hobbies and interests before she became a mother?' Your assumption is simply not true. We are talking about an extended break not hobbies or interests.

'also, just cos you hated being away from home and being looked after by other family as a child doesn’t mean that all children are like you…'
I didn't 'hate' being away from home for starters. I enjoyed all the school trips etc. There is a difference between being babysat because your parents are having a date night vs being left behind when your parents are off on their jollies for 4 days. I also never suggested all children were like me, I just said it's selfish to go away on holiday without your kids. I stand by that.

Oh no, you aren't taking my comments out of context like that. I never compared them in that way at all.

You said: 'Of course I don't know whether I'd like something unless I've experienced it - nobody does 😂'

I pointed out you would know having a broken leg would be horrible without having experienced it. Proving your comment to be wrong.

You also glossed over the part where I said I was glad to be home after being babysat for 2 days - 1 night, so I know full well I wouldn't have liked my parents going on holiday without me.

When people can’t comprehend leaving children with grandparents I just feel so sorry for all involved: the kids, the parents, the grandparents. It was such an important part of growing up for me, to have that time being care for by GPs, spending quality time with them from breakfast to dinner time, babysitting for a couple hours just isn’t the same. And now as a parent it has been such a blessing for our marriage to get regular time to ourselves (something I’ve valued more as the kids get older actually as it’s harder to get time alone as the bedtime gets later and later!)

It’s just a really healthy and positive thing all around, I understand some people aren’t comfortable travelling without kids for probably fair reasons, but to not be able to leave them with grandparents at all? A huge shame.

Nope, it’s a totally normal thing to do, 360 days parenting, 5 days doing a hobby with DC being looked after by loving and willing DGP.

@CrispsPlease

no, it’s fine. The kids are going to be left with caring grandparents. It’s absolutely fine.

Oh you can have hobbies. Bit extreme isn't it ? Jetting off on a skiing holiday without the kids though.... Bit different.

@IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland

and what’s so bad about being selfish sometimes?

@IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland

maybe because you haven’t given birth and experienced all the pressure and strife and cripplingly high expectations placed on mothers these days that you can’t empathise with a mother simply trying to maintain some semblance of her sense of self and her hobbies and interests before she became a mother? Could that be possible do you think?

also, just cos you hated being away from home and being looked after by other family as a child doesn’t mean that all children are like you…

You're the one being ridiculous - comparing an injury like a broken leg with staying with your grandparents, ffs 😂

I came here because I’m the world’s biggest skiing bore…. And am in the middle of an excruciating slanging match. Hey Ho…. I’ll flounce off in the direction of the Alps.

FWIW OP I forced my DH to learn to ski….he did and loved it. We were anway with a very large group… he had a lot of lessons annd has never looked back. Our 2 boys learnt very early, and love it too. They are still coming with us (and a big extended group of friends mainly from primary school) in their uni years. Seriously we think it’s the best holiday. Good luck to you.

Do you think you'd like a broken leg? Or do you know you wouldn't? This is just getting ridiculous.

Obviously I am judging the motives, I don't think it can really be denied going away without your kids is for selfish purposes, that doesn't mean I think someone is a bad parent though.

Of course I don't know whether I'd like something unless I've experienced it - nobody does 😂

I can say "I don't think I'd like X" or "X is not for me" but I can't know for sure, and neither can you 🙄

You are judging by calling them selfish, at least own it!

Eh? You think you are exempt from making judgement calls do you? Or that you can't know you wouldn't like something unless you had experienced it? Come off it.

Not really judging the parents just saying the motives are a bit selfish. You got extremely wound up by this.

Lol. Not to worry

My apologies, I quoted the wrong person, I will delete my comment. xx

Why am I unsufferable?

Edited as quoted the wrong poster

I probably wouldn't have known at that age. I was left with grandparents for a few days from pretty young. Definitely before I was 3 Don't remember if my parents left me there to do something or just so I could spend time with Granny. Nor did I care tbh

So this isn't the only thing you make assumptions and judgements about.

Good to know 😂

Not me sat there with a pole up my arse judging parents who dare have a life away from their children

Well I absolutely can... after being babysat by my aunty or nan for a day, night and following day, I can tell you I was glad to be home the next night. So I definitely wouldn't have liked my parents going away for days on end as a small child.

I have never given birth. I think I can safely say I wouldn't have enjoyed it.

I haven't skydived. I can safely say I would hate it.

etc etc.