Why can’t the Israelis and Palestinians just live in peace?!!

@Helenalove "The U.K has been one of the most barbaric, brutal colonising countries in World history."

Sooo wrong

https://www.thetoptens.com/history/brutal-empires-history/

I note that your post showed zero empathy for what happened in Ireland. Why is that?

What about when the UK caused a famine in Ireland that killed 1 million people? Any empathy for that?

What about the UK's long invasion of Ireland. Which was brutal. They raped a lot of women. Any empathy? What about how the UK refused to give all of Ireland it's independence, the UK insisted on keeping Northern Ireland. Any empathy for that? This then caused a civil war in Ireland which caused more deaths.

This then caused a further war in Northern Ireland (the troubles) which caused more deaths.

Any empathy at all for all the suffering caused?

"There is a substantial part of the population of Northern Ireland who don't want to give it back".

Eh. Duh. Obviously.

It is the descendants of the UK colonisers in Northern Ireland who do not want to give Northern Ireland back.

The facts stand. The U.K. invaded Ireland and raped, killed and stole land. My Irish granfather told my Irish mother that the UK black and tan army used to drive around villages and choose young women to rape.

Do you have sympathy for the people of Ireland?

Also there's the thorny little issue of Hamas. It took them about a microsecond after a ceasefire with Israel to start killing other Gazans instead. They don't seem ready for peace and open borders - I mean look what happened the last time they got across the border two years ago.

I don’t think I ever suggested my view was pure or uninfluenced by my own experience, nor was I suggesting the information you provided was necessarily partisan, just I didn’t have enough knowledge to agree or disagree with it. I think you’ve read into my post a lot more than was ever said. (I don’t as it happens agree that cultures are incompatible in the way you suggest, but I certainly didn’t express that.) I find the constant painting of “Muslims” as a threat inaccurate and unhelpful and the suggestion that Christians, Jews, Muslims, and indeed Hindus, Buddhists, or any other religion are incapable of living harmoniously together is not based in fact it’s a fiction created to divide and control. It is the behaviour that is abhorrent, and the Israelis have been behaving unforgivably to the Palestinians for generations. It needs to stop, and new better ways need to be found.

Your first mistake is assuming that everyone in the world has the same mindset as you.

Just to put that statement right - the Troubles in Northern Ireland were a secular issue that was fought along religious lines.

Refuse to give it back? There is a substantial part of the population of Northern Ireland (around half) who don’t want to be given back. I’m assuming they should just be ignored?

I actually think it should, ultimately, go back and Ireland should be united, but I also don’t think it’s as simplistic as you make out.

It seems to be :
When other countries invade each other, kill people and steal land, people in the U.K. think its awful.

However when the UK invades other countries, kills people, rapes people and steals land, no one in the UK cares in the slightest.

It is so fucking hypocritical

. Anytime anyone mentions the huge damage that the U.K. did to Ireland, damage that is ongoing to this day, people in the U.K usually say that they don't care.

Why?

I always think its funny when people from the U.K. say "why dont those awful countries just have peace", like the U.K has never done anything to anyone.

It is so hypocritical!

The U.K has been one of the most barbaric, brutal colonising countries in World history.

Op what do you think of the UK.taking land from the Irish? What do you think about the UK still owning Northern Ireland and refusing to give it back, despite this causing a long term war in Northern Ireland? Many lives were lost.

Religion the root of many wars.

I think that's a naive post. Why don't they just live in peace. Simple answer - because men want land and power.

Are you English? Why didn't the English live in peace throughout history? They didn't. Why invaded many countries and took their land. Because they wanted land and power.

Why didn't the English want peace when they invaded Ireland and took all of their land?
Because they wanted land.

Why didn't England give back Northern Ireland to Ireland when the recent war was happening in Northern Ireland? Answer: because England will not give up the land.

The conflict and aggression on this thread is a perfect demonstration of why they can't live in peace.

With the amount of anger people seem to have against other people (immigrants here on the UK) for just being here, can you imagine the level of fear and anger people in Gaza and people in Israel have against each other? Think about Northern Ireland. It's barely resolved. Think about all the wars.

Yes, your post is incredibly naive but you already know that. Time to dig deeper...

Peace and harmony is irrelevant to Jihadis.

I'd absolutely agree that barbaric behaviour is not limited to any one race or religion. The most cursory knowledge of human history would provide ample evidence otherwise. For what it's worth, which isn't much, I marched against the Iraq war, and I think it was an instance of appalling over-reach and poor judgement by the US and Britain. What I object to in your post is a tendency to respond to any recognition that non Western nations or peoples may have cultures that are incompatible with our own, or may be committing ethnic cleansing or other atrocities, with 'what about what we've done!'.
Understanding the history of a conflict is important, but suggesting that British or American involvement in that history removes any agency from those still engaged in the conflict seems to me supremely unhelpful. Similarly, recognising that Western nations have been responsible for violence and bloodshed is right, but using that to distract attention from conflicts in which white people are currently absent or peripheral is completely pointless, and means that genocide and mass rape on the African continent in particular goes mostly ignored by the Western media, in some cases despite desperate attempts by prominent figures in the affected communities to attract some sort of attention or help from the international community.
You suggest my world view is massaged, yet you apparently know nothing about some of the worst human rights violations that are taking place now or have done so in recent years. The BBC has an extensive article on the ongoing conflict in Sudan. I sourced all my figures from there. Is that too 'massaged' for you? There's a good piece about the horrific fate of the Yazidis on the King's College London website referencing (amongst other sources) UN reports and articles from the Harvard Women's Law Journal. The Syrian Network for Human Rights reports that Assad's regime murdered over 200,000 civilians over 14 years and that over 15,000 of these people died from torture. This wasn't during a war, this was simply brutality and political and religious control. My world view is of course 'massaged'. We are all vulnerable to that. Perhaps take the time to think about how yours might not be as pure and uncompromised by partiality and propaganda as you think.

There was a 16th Century travellog written about ancient Palestine by Ottoman traveller Evliya Celebi, who was there in 1650 ish. His is one of the only surviving direct descriptions of Palestine back then. One thing of note is that there were a mix of people living there, including the Jewish. He specifically refers to the 'Land of Palestine'.

As far as I was aware we killed far more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein. I know less about the other conflicts you mention but am not sure how massaged your world view is.
I’m not sure I was touting “Islam brings peace” more that the barbaric behaviour doesn’t seem to be limited to one religion. I don’t think the west is angelic and they obviously have participated in Middle Eastern affairs for many years.

I used to have a boyfriend back at Uni who had very strong views about Israel / Palestine - very in favour of one side and against the other - and said this very thing re Northern Ireland - something like “Why are they fighting just over this bit of land because of religion - if they can’t just live in peace we should just cut them all adrift, out to sea”. Definitely something about sweeping them out to sea.

He couldn’t see the irony!

Edit - I think maybe he thought it was different Catholics and Protestants were the same religion in his eyes, but ultimately Christians/ Jews/ Muslims are a very similar religion!

because Palestine is run by a barbaric, murderous, terrorist death cult that wants to exterminate the entire Jewish race, starting with Israel.

Got it one @AngeloMysterioso

Haven’t RTFT, but my answer is, because Palestine is run by a barbaric, murderous, terrorist death cult that wants to exterminate the entire Jewish race, starting with Israel. Weirdly, Israel isn’t so keen on that, and being the vastly superior military power of the two is capable of robustly defending itself. The rest of the world would apparently rather Israel just rolled over and let its citizens be tortured, raped, kidnapped and murdered because Jews.

You might as well ask why the human race can’t live in peace. The reason is human beings are irrational, partisan, greedy, scared, aggressive, selfish, etc. Conflict, sadly, is part of the human condition. The best we can hope for is to resolve situations as peacefully as we can, in as lasting a way as we can.

I am so happy that the hostages have been reunited with their families, but the price paid has been a heavy one, with many convicted murderers released in exchange for innocent hostages. We can only hope for lasting peace.

Hamas killed dozens of Palestinians in the streets last night... despite agreeing to withdraw.
Until they are truly gone there will be no safety or peace.