Ian Watkins Dead

The post I responded to didn’t mention this. Of course that’s not the same as someone telling the police what he wanted to do.

He should have been hanged by the state, capital punishment for his crimes. I feel sorry for the inmate who may be given extra time.

In what way have I been unkind?
I'm simply putting forward my perspective in the face of harsh criticism.
It was yourself that started with the demeaning of posters who (understandably) didn't pick up on the sarcasm.
I really do not think it was an odd thing to say.
Foreigners (especially my parents - the beloved people that brought me up) did not/do not understand sarcasm. I get it, but when it's written down (not spoken) it's easily and understandably not picked up on. That's all.

Yeah I wish I had read past it.. ..but neither was I obligated.

I didn't say sarcasm was just for English speakers but it's definitely a very British thing and it's a known fact that many foreigners (including Americans) misunderstand the Brits because of it so I don't think your argument holds up at all
So my comment was ABSOLUTELY NOT an odd thing to say at all. My parents had zero concept of sarcasm. My dad never really grasped it before he died and mum has learned to understand it to an extent but I still have to explain it to her at times....so please stop being unkind and calling people odd. It's just lacking in insight as to other people's perspectives of humour, unkind and unnecessary.

Now we're done.

You didn't realise it was sarcasm? I pity you.

@ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit

I think you're misunderstanding the original posts.

The original comment was a statement about the murder of Watkins possibly having nothing to do with Watkins' crimes against children - the murderer could have had another motive.

The poster you quoted is simply saying that that was probably true.

NOBODY was denying that Watkins is guilty of the crimes he was convicted of.

It absolutely isn't bloody obvious....hence so many people misunderstood!....and especially to someone who's żebeen brought up by foreign parents born in the 1930s and 40s who had no concept of sarcasm (I think I know my parents language better than you)....so stop being unnecessarily unkind and lacking in any form of insight.

I’m not being an arse, or not trying to anyway. It’s the constant “well, they’re all segregated, sex offenders have separate wings. Rapists are hated, there’s a price on their head, they have a shit time” etc that I’m trying to correct. It’s really not the case. Not even nearly.

Yes, that prison has a very small unit housing a handful of VPs. Some have bigger VP units. Many have none at all other than the actual seg (every prison has one of these and it’s meant to be temporary) which is for any prisoner, not just sex offenders. I’m not going to say where any particular prisoner is or where they have been but it’s not “bollocks” that thousands of sex offenders who have committed crimes against children do their time alongside all variety of other offenders. Every day, every week. Year in, year out. It’s the norm within our prisons and posters who suggest he might’ve been killed for another reason such as a debt or a personal grievance are probably right.

Good surprised it took so long

I disagree.

There are various people whose deaths I would feel happy about, whether its via an accident, illness or - as is the case here - a stabbing in prison.

But I understand well enough that my personal anger at, or hatred of, some people isn't something that belongs in the justice system (not least given the frequency of wrongful convictions).

Murder is wrong.
State-sanctioned murder is particularly dangerous.
But yeah, that doesn't mean there isnt sometimes a sense of satisfaction that can be derived from something terrible happening to someone awful.

Well to be fair I didn't read anything past your first comment....wish I had now lol.
It's not an odd thing to say. What an odd thing to say lol
Sarcasm is a very English thing I've noticed..... I guess they have it in other countries (?) ...I wouldn't know, but it's certainly not very prevalent from the country where my parents are from...at least not in the 1940s and 1950s when they were there in their formative years.

They can have physical contact. Not prolonged snogging but yes, can hold hands with their loved ones and kiss, hug etc. It’s real life, not eastenders

Your comment caught one or two out. What gave it away was "brilliant"😂

To be fair they'd have been nothing without Lee and H.

She did explain. You should at least check out the OP's subsequent posts before rushing to judgment - after all, MN makes it very easy for you to pick them out nowadays.

Okay. I’ve googled it, because I did say in my initial post that I ‘thought’ prisoners who had committed crimes against children were kept separated for safety reasons (their own safety), so I knew I’d read it somewhere. And Wakefield does have a segregation unit where prisons are kept under a Rule 45 process - which can include situations such as discipline or in a prisoner’s best interest (ie for safety from other prisoners). So I’m honestly not sure why you’re adamant it doesn’t happen?! Whether or not it happens - I really don’t give a rats arse, but as you’re being such an arse about it, I decided to check….

No, this isn’t like owing your mate a fiver. The debts also aren’t always important in their value as such, since the price tag on everything inside is vastly greater than any street cost you’re imagining. It’s all about saving face and keeping your status. It’s a hierarchy of sorts.

There is a status element of attacking certain prisoners, of course. That’s why Huntley is such a target, the status of being the one lauded in the media, and why I take an issue with the “give that man a medal” posts.

Physical contact allowed between prisoners and their visitors? I would have thought not due to the opportunity to pass drugs over .

Context is king- in any language, not just English. There are languages which do not have sexed pronouns or tenses but people understand what is being said by context. In contrast a droll "how sad" is absolutely bloody obvious.

Two men aged 25 and 43 have been arrested in connection.

I don't understand this either. The amount of murderers/paedophiles etc. who get 'fan' mail is utterly disgusting.

If anyone has ever watched American Murder: The Family Next Door on Netflix - Chris Watts who murdered his pregnant wife and two young daughters gets 'love letters' sent to him in prison:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2018/12/22/hes-jailed-life-after-murdering-his-wife-kids-so-why-do-women-send-him-love-letters/

It makes no sense to me. This was an interesting read however:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

Sorry for the tangent!

Exactly this. 'The state has no right to take a life' and yet when some fellow lag does it there's a sense of relief, like some huge poisonous boil has been lanced. If Axel Rudakubana was murdered tomorrow, the reaction would be tenfold what today's has been. We've clearly always been a bit like this - I think centuries ago, the executioners were men who were convicted murderers themselves, it was a way out of the moral dilemma about taking another life, which was forbidden in the Ten Commandments - delegate it to someone who was already 'damned'.

@DramaLlamacchiato me too. One hell of lot to absorb and process. There could be adverse physical, sexual, emotional and psychological effects for a very long time.

You wonder about the parents of the young women who went along and helped him. If the children will ever have contact with the wider family.