Ian Watkins Dead

@SpottyAardvark

One of Watkins' murderers raped a woman 5 times.

The other attacked a 16-year-old, murdered a 22-year-old, and reportedly laughed about it.

I totally understand you praising their actions in killing Watkins; that's a natural response because of what Watkins was guilty of.

But having any kind of positive regard for those men themselves would be a shocking misjudgement. Those men have innocent victims and devastation in their wake.

I'm glad he's dead but his killer/s are about as equally scummy & I don't think it was an altruistic act. Greed & jealousy probably came into play. I do feel a bit sorry for Watkins parents seeing all the outpourings on SM etc, which are justified but nonetheless.....They've got to go to his funeral with mixed emotions. I keep thinking what the hell made him like this? Was he a born wrong 'un or did he get warped and jaded through his fame with access to young fans and acquire his disgusting sexual appetites chasing higher highs of vileness. Was he sexually abused? Not trying to justify his behaviours, just trying to get my head round it. He had no remorse at all, even said he couldn't see what all the fuss was about. Absolute monster.

It goes without saying Ian Watkins crimes were barbaric. However the two men accused - one was found guilty of murdering an innocent man due to mistaken identity and the other one if I'm correct, repeatedly raped a woman 5 times.

Still want to call them "mate" and buy them a drink? If your child or family member had been a victim of their crimes, would you want people congratulating them and offering them to buy them a drink, even if they had murdered someone in prison?

I also can't believe these comments from people saying they hope there is "a wall of silence" and if they were on a jury they wouldn't convict him.

The two convicted of murdering committed henious crimes themselves. If I were a victim or family member of a victim, I would imagine I'd take some comfort that they would be hopefully be guilty at a trial, adding further years to their sentences meaning less chance of release.

Some people on this thread really need to take a look at themselves before making such ridiculous comments.

The BBC didn’t report it anywhere until 5:33pm, when OP posted the thread the mirror which on the mirror link is 17:16pm was the only place with a report followed by the mail a few minutes later.

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27TB?!?!?

I know it's almost as if some people have forgotten that the people who have murdered him have victims of their own.

While I can't reiterate enough just how awful a person Ian Watkins was and I'm not sad he's gone, if you had a family member or god forbid a child who had been raped or murdered, would you want people celebrating their perpetrator if they had murdered someone else in jail or saying they wouldn't convict them on a jury? I can't believe some of the comments I've read.

Agreed. I couldn’t care less about what happened to Ian. But people acting like his killing was some amazing heroic act by people who cared so deeply for victims opposed to two fellow wrongens who were in a money dispute with him is just insulting to the victims of the two perps.

Whilst not saddened by the death in the slightest, I don’t think a man who raped a woman five times should be glorified and he certainly doesn’t deserve an OBE…

As I mentioned before, it's worth mentioning and not forgetting that these men you congratulate are also rapists and murders and they are victims to their crimes.

While I'm in no way sad about the loss about Ian Watkins, do you think the families of the victims of his murders previous crimes would want them being celebrated, people wishing them to buy them drinks or they should get an OBE? Put yourselves in their shoes for just a minute before making such ridiculous comments.

It must have been because I knew about it well before this thread began at 17.26 so presumably a news flash or resume of some sort during the day, if not the lunchtime telly news. I honestly can't remember (didn't know anything about him or the trial), but my main quibble was with you saying that it hadn't been reported. it had.

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I can't believe people are praising the vile individuals who killed him. Not a single one of them covers themselves in glory, not Ian Watkins, not prisoner A, not prisoner B. They're all vile individuals.

The fact that there are people on here actively praising a murderer (who killed an innocent man in cold blood) and a rapist (who kidnapped, and raped his victim 5 times) makes me really worry about people. These aren't tax dodgers or petty criminals, they're the lowest of the low.

The fact Ian Watkins wasn't killed because of what he did but due to drugs and groupies (so basically jealousy and drug debt) hasn't even crossed their minds.

Let's not forget the emergency services, the prison staff, all have to deal with the fall out from this. I'm sure, regardless of Ian Watkins crimes, they would have worked hard to save his life as that is what human nature does.

But hey let's carry on praising the scum and offering them drinks and saying they'd acquit them if they were on a jury. To hell with the trauma of everyone else involved.

I sincerely hope you're never called for jury service.

So basically as a juror you would happily subvert the legal system based on whether you personally approved of the victim? And people wonder why women victims of VAWG struggle to get justice.

Nobody gets onto that wing of Wakefield without committing disgusting violent and/or sexual crimes. But hey, good for them to know that if they just murder someone publicly considered a bit worse they get a free pass on their own crimes.

Good I’m glad he’s dead. And I don’t care who killed him or how he died, he deserved all of it. On top of being a baby rapist the police found 27 terabytes of child abuse images on his devices. Prison was too good for him, phones, drugs and fans visiting him 🤮 someone needs to check their hard drives too.

Luckily we have juries of 12 in this country for this very reason. Honestly, im speechless at comments like this.

Clearly noble gentleman convicts! Perhaps these people think Wakefield Prison is like the prison in Paddington 2. All marmalade sarnies and Hugh Grant musicals.

Wakefield is known as Monster Mansion, Mark Bridger and Mick Philpott are in there along with Roy Whiting, and Sidney Cooke. Murderers and paedophiles. Would they be deserving of a high five if it had been them killing Watkins. What it Watkins had killed Roy Whiting, would that be good or bad?

I shed no tears for Watkins, but let's not pretend there is some sort of code of honour being played out here and these men were acting out of some of moral conviction. They're all dangerous men who will continue to be dangerous and have no ethics or values.

To think that there might actually be people like this called to serve on a jury is terrifying.

You convict or acquit on the basis of the evidence presented, to the bar of 'beyond reasonable doubt'. No other criterion is appropriate.

"I sincerely hope there is no jury in this country which would convict them. I hope I am called up to serve on that jury. If I am, I will vote to acquit, irrespective of the evidence."

Do you really want it to be okay for violent criminals to stick knives into who ever they want to in jail.

How pathetic

I sincerely hope a jury WILL convict.

One of the accused was jailed for murdering an innocent stranger in cold blood in a case of mistaken identity.

The other is a rapist and kidnapper serving 24 years.

Hopefully a sensible jury is selected for the case. Don't need this pair, if guilty, back on the street.

What do you mean? These men are “heroes” and our “mates” and deserve to be bought a drink.🙄