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To think people should just pronounce her name the way she has asked them to?

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Grandies · 11/10/2025 14:21

A few weeks ago a relatively young new employee joined my workplace, we aren’t on the same team, but we sit close together and I’ve gotten to know her quite well. She isn’t British, and she pronounces her name her slightly differently in her home language than in English. It’s not a massive difference and it’s a short name (such as it begins with E, in her language she would pronounce that “Eh” while in English the name is most commonly said with a more “ee” sound at the start) and the second syllable is pronounced the same. She still corrects people when they get it wrong and it clearly matters to her.
Last night I went to the pub with some colleagues and some people were making fun of how much she corrects people with her name (she isn’t rude it’s just if they say her name she responds with the correct pronunciation). They were also talking about the fact we have others in the world place who’s names get mispronounced and they just let it go. They also noted it’s hard as the name is pretty popular in the uk and pronounced a different way. It wasn’t a nice conversation, and it spiralled a little into stereotypes of the country etc. I called it out, noted that it was really inappropriate to talk that way about someone and left. I’m unsure as of yet if it’s worth reporting to HR.
I personally believe we should all try and pronounce peoples names as they want them to be, regardless of if they correct you or not, but especially if it’s relatively simple and they do correct you.
My husband disagrees he thinks she will need to realise sooner or later that she is in the UK now, and if her name is pronounced with the “ee” sound here she will just need to get used to it.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Itsnotallaboutyoulikeyouthink · 12/10/2025 22:19

My son has a name that ends in tin and a lot of people say ton instead. I feel like it’s a certain type
of person. I have a name that can be spelt a million different ways and it really annoys me in emails when they reply with the incorrect spelling. I feel it’s like a power trip or something.

Lockdownsceptic · 12/10/2025 22:13

RitaIncognita · 11/10/2025 22:49

But I don't think this is a case of people not being able to hear the difference. Based on what the OP said, it's intentional. And the recounting by the OP of the conversation in the pub suggests it is pretty close to bullying and also xenophobic.

She can call it bullying and xenophobic if she likes. It’s up to her. I advocate a more measured approach.

JaquelineHide · 12/10/2025 21:47

TessSaysYes · 11/10/2025 14:32

Ee-lena or Eh-lena?
It's seems a subtle difference, as opposed to a big difference.
I m not sure it's worth making yourself the target of ridicule over, rightly or wrongly.

But it's her name!!!!

AngeloMysterioso · 12/10/2025 21:43

Eva like never or Eva like beaver or Eva like raver? None of which are hard to say.

T1Dmama · 12/10/2025 21:41

In her shoes I would start pronouncing everyone else’s name wrong…. So David would be DAV… ED.
Oscar …. ‘Oh’ - scar…. Etc!

but more seriously….. it amounts to bullying or discrimination…. Sure if she had a really hard name to pronounce, but Eva being pronounced as Ava isn’t that hard!!

HRTQueen · 12/10/2025 21:28

It’s rude to deliberately mis pronounce a name

my name is often completely mispronounced (a different name but people think it’s the same name) but I’m not bothered by this most people get it right

some times people are used to a name being pronounced in a particular way and just revert back to that but they should try to remember

ThriveAT · 12/10/2025 21:22

Brava, OP, for standing up for what is right.

Wadadli · 12/10/2025 21:20

TessSaysYes · 11/10/2025 14:32

Ee-lena or Eh-lena?
It's seems a subtle difference, as opposed to a big difference.
I m not sure it's worth making yourself the target of ridicule over, rightly or wrongly.

How would you feel if your name was persistently pronounced “Tass” instead of Tess?

Rachie1973 · 12/10/2025 21:11

My reception child, just turned 5 has 2 Evie’s in her class.

one is Eh-vie, the other Ee-vie.

These 5 year olds manage to get both right.

Grammarninja · 12/10/2025 21:00

HR is a bit of a drastic measure but I do think people should try to get her name right, it is her name after all. Not your situation to police though. Speak your mind and leave it there.

Spinmerightroundbaby · 12/10/2025 20:56

Grandies · 11/10/2025 14:21

A few weeks ago a relatively young new employee joined my workplace, we aren’t on the same team, but we sit close together and I’ve gotten to know her quite well. She isn’t British, and she pronounces her name her slightly differently in her home language than in English. It’s not a massive difference and it’s a short name (such as it begins with E, in her language she would pronounce that “Eh” while in English the name is most commonly said with a more “ee” sound at the start) and the second syllable is pronounced the same. She still corrects people when they get it wrong and it clearly matters to her.
Last night I went to the pub with some colleagues and some people were making fun of how much she corrects people with her name (she isn’t rude it’s just if they say her name she responds with the correct pronunciation). They were also talking about the fact we have others in the world place who’s names get mispronounced and they just let it go. They also noted it’s hard as the name is pretty popular in the uk and pronounced a different way. It wasn’t a nice conversation, and it spiralled a little into stereotypes of the country etc. I called it out, noted that it was really inappropriate to talk that way about someone and left. I’m unsure as of yet if it’s worth reporting to HR.
I personally believe we should all try and pronounce peoples names as they want them to be, regardless of if they correct you or not, but especially if it’s relatively simple and they do correct you.
My husband disagrees he thinks she will need to realise sooner or later that she is in the UK now, and if her name is pronounced with the “ee” sound here she will just need to get used to it.

AIBU?

I think YANBU. It’s basic respect to try and pronounce people’s names properly. We all make mistakes and might slip up if it’s unfamiliar, so no shame there. Equally no shame if she corrects it. Must be annoying for her that people keep getting it wrong.

RitaIncognita · 12/10/2025 15:54

RaraRachael · 12/10/2025 14:31

I'd say BAIT-ho-ven. Never heard anyone omit the h sound

I omit the h sound. I say BAY-to-ven as do most people I know. I'm American.

RaraRachael · 12/10/2025 14:31

I'd say BAIT-ho-ven. Never heard anyone omit the h sound

TaylorWift · 12/10/2025 14:28

How rude of your colleagues.
And how depressing, too.
My DS is 13. He was telling me how much he enjoyed a geography lesson in school in which they learnt about stereotypes, and he talked to me about what he'd learnt about how easy it is to stereotype other people from different countries or cultures to our own, and how wrong this is, and why it's wrong, and how all of us need to consciously work against stereotyping others, and why it's important. He chatted to me all about this whilst I was cooking dinner. It was a pleasure to listen to him because......he got it. He completely and utterly 100% got it.
What a shame your adult colleagues have less insight than a 13 year old.

RampantIvy · 12/10/2025 14:12

@Slimtoddy why did you give your son a name that you couldn't pronounce? Confused

RitaIncognita · 12/10/2025 14:05

Slimtoddy · 12/10/2025 10:35

I mentioned earlier that some people struggle with pronunciation of words. I googled to provide insight - Phonological dyslexia affects the language side of dyslexia. People with this type of dyslexia can have trouble with sounding words out aloud, breaking up words into individual sounds, not knowing their left from their right, reading stories and poems out aloud and singing.

As previously mentioned this was the explanation a doctor gave me for being unable to pronounce my DS's name. Some people are not being awkward.

Good point and based on my experience with my son who has dyslexia and an auditory processing disorder as well, not being able to hear and reproduce certain sounds is a real problem for some.

However, that does not seem to be the issue in OP's workplace. As previous posters have pointed out, If these men can say the English word "ever" especially if they have a non-rhotic accent, then they can say the name.

SprayWhiteDung · 12/10/2025 14:01

saraclara · 12/10/2025 09:23

I've visited China several times, and many younger Chinese people in the cities give themselves Western names. I imagine that within their families they're called their Chinese name, but they will introduce themselves as Johnny or Bobby.
I didn't look into the reason behind it. It might just be fashionable. But in this country I'd imagine that it's to fit in, because many Chinese names rely on the really difficult tonal language for them to work.

Of all the languages in the world, Chinese has to be the most difficult for the average westerner to pronounce. Just saying someone's name at the wrong pitch could turn it from the equivalent of 'Jane' into something like 'cabbage' (or very much worse).

It's probably different now with the Internet, but I heard that a lot of Chinese people would seek a 'western' name by finding an English word, but without knowing whether it was commonly used as a person's name or not - so you might equally end up with e.g. Jane (very standard name), Fanny (yes, a name, but...), Love (unusual but sounds quite nice as a name) or Envelope (ridiculous) - unless they thought it rhymed with Penelope!!

I'd be just the same the other way around, if I had to find a Chinese word that worked as a name. I'd be utterly clueless.

SprayWhiteDung · 12/10/2025 13:51

Algen · 11/10/2025 22:58

I’ve only ever heard it as BAIT-oh-v’n. Which is probably still incorrect, but the stress is definitely on the first syllable.

Sorry, that was my error - you're correct: I put the stress on the wrong syllable when trying to approximate the 'standard' British pronunciation!

NewsdeskJC · 12/10/2025 13:14

I have always checked to she how people say their name/what they want to be called and tried very hard to get it right
I judge others that don't.
I judge them harder if they don't make an effort cos someone is "foreign".
I had a colleague called Afia. 4 letters, said as it looks. Aff e yah. Not hard, not even out of the ordinary. It turned into little Britain " say it again".

Slimtoddy · 12/10/2025 10:35

I mentioned earlier that some people struggle with pronunciation of words. I googled to provide insight - Phonological dyslexia affects the language side of dyslexia. People with this type of dyslexia can have trouble with sounding words out aloud, breaking up words into individual sounds, not knowing their left from their right, reading stories and poems out aloud and singing.

As previously mentioned this was the explanation a doctor gave me for being unable to pronounce my DS's name. Some people are not being awkward.

Cherrysoup · 12/10/2025 10:02

This drives me mad. My name isn’t standard English and I correct people every time, but they immediately repeat it incorrectly. 🤦🏼‍♀️

I always ask students how to pronounce their name and practise it until I get it right. I have an Eva (ee-va) and know an Eva (eh-fah, not English). It’s not difficult and you were right to call them out.

RaraRachael · 12/10/2025 09:56

@AdultHumanFemaleOne same here. We had quite a few Chinese children at our school and they all had British names. The man who ran the takeaway was called Billy although he had a Chinese name as well.

RampantIvy · 12/10/2025 09:36

We deal with a lot of suppliers from China at work, and all the email contacts have very traditional British sounding names with their traditional Chinese surnames.

When I was a student my best friend was a girl from Hong Kong. She and all of her family had Chinese and English names. She told me it was common practice for this to happen.

saraclara · 12/10/2025 09:23

AdultHumanFemaleOne · 12/10/2025 06:51

When I worked in a crèche in Fife in the late 80s we often had a couple of Chinese children come in. They were being fostered by a British woman. The children's parents decided to have them fostered out so that they could work as many hours as possible. I'm not going to comment on that. I would not say that this was a frequent occurrence but there seemed to be a little cluster of Chinese children fostered for the same reported reason at that time. The foster mother said that the children were given British names because the parents simply did not want us using their real, Chinese names. Why? I do not know. Was this true? Again, I do not know, this is what was reported to me a few times.

I've visited China several times, and many younger Chinese people in the cities give themselves Western names. I imagine that within their families they're called their Chinese name, but they will introduce themselves as Johnny or Bobby.
I didn't look into the reason behind it. It might just be fashionable. But in this country I'd imagine that it's to fit in, because many Chinese names rely on the really difficult tonal language for them to work.

Of all the languages in the world, Chinese has to be the most difficult for the average westerner to pronounce. Just saying someone's name at the wrong pitch could turn it from the equivalent of 'Jane' into something like 'cabbage' (or very much worse).

HopingForTheBest25 · 12/10/2025 08:54

While I agree that they should pronounce her name as she prefers, I do think it's unreasonable to report a conversation held in the pub, outside of work hours, to HR. People are allowed to vent about things they find irritating, in private, without being accused of micro aggressions or bullying!

If you have a name that can be pronounced more than one way, I do think you kind of have to accept people getting it wrong. Esp if the way you say your name is not the norm for the country you are in! It's not that big a deal imo. It's annoying that they are being twatty about it, but to me, it's a minor irritation.

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