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Why the F should I tell BBC every year that I don’t watch TV ?

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LadyGillingham · 11/10/2025 07:49

Why can’t they upgrade their subscriptions/licencing model like Netflix etc ?

If you look at BBC corporation’s ownership, majority stakeholders are private Ltd companies and individuals. Why the f are they entitled to demand subscription fees from me for services I don’t use!

The language in the emails is quite strong, I’m sure a lot of senior citizens just pay to not get into trouble. That’s extortion!

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AbstractReflections · 12/10/2025 11:15

This is so annoying. I actually find their letters rude, threatening and entitled!

How dare they threaten to visit my house to "check" I'm not using their service?

What other service does that! It's despicable.

EasternStandard · 12/10/2025 11:14

TwoBagsOfCompost · 12/10/2025 11:12

I am on medication for anxiety and while it's massively helping me, a TVL goon at the door would upset me. I wouldn't let anyone in of course and I can put on a serious face convincingly and send them off, but I'd still feel rattled for a couple hours, so if I can avoid that by clicking "no licence required" then I'd do that.

It does seem easier to just do that, I don’t blame you.

TwoBagsOfCompost · 12/10/2025 11:12

battairzeedurgzome · 11/10/2025 10:21

I never understand why so many people are terrified of a home visit. They just need to master a few useful phrases:

Remind me, what are your powers of entry?

Do you have a warrant?

No? Well, fuck off then.

I am on medication for anxiety and while it's massively helping me, a TVL goon at the door would upset me. I wouldn't let anyone in of course and I can put on a serious face convincingly and send them off, but I'd still feel rattled for a couple hours, so if I can avoid that by clicking "no licence required" then I'd do that.

Reallynotfussed · 12/10/2025 11:05

TwoBagsOfCompost · 12/10/2025 10:53

That's incorrect. I get a letter every year which demands I go online and confirm to them that I still don't need a TV licence. This year I forgot to do it after the first letter, and a few weeks later I received a second evem more bizarrely strongly worded letter telling me again to go online and tell them that I still don't need a TV licence. Both letters repeating the threat that someone could physically pop round to check. I loathe the stupidly worded things.

That doesn’t mean action is required. I just bin the letters.

TwoBagsOfCompost · 12/10/2025 11:03

Whammyyammy · 11/10/2025 09:02

You don't at all. They send captia sales people, it's not a legal requirement to make a declaration.
Stop scaremongering

It's not scaremongering to say that you are hounded with more letters until you submit a declaration. It's the truth.

Sparks654 · 12/10/2025 10:55

I know what you mean. I rarely if ever watch anything on the BBC, and because of the poor content and wokery, that I really didn't want to contribute to their content for maybe one documentary at Christmas a year. But then I wanted to watch Wimbledon this year and relented, but I must admit, paying for shows about drag queens and their other agendas doesn't sit well.

TwoBagsOfCompost · 12/10/2025 10:53

Thatmoves · 11/10/2025 07:55

But NO action required UNLESS you needed one!

That's incorrect. I get a letter every year which demands I go online and confirm to them that I still don't need a TV licence. This year I forgot to do it after the first letter, and a few weeks later I received a second evem more bizarrely strongly worded letter telling me again to go online and tell them that I still don't need a TV licence. Both letters repeating the threat that someone could physically pop round to check. I loathe the stupidly worded things.

RoseAndGeranium · 12/10/2025 10:49

SALaw · 11/10/2025 13:09

It’s way cheaper than any other channel.

Rubbish! It’s about £15 a month! I pay £8.99 for Amazon and get free next day deliveries thrown in too! Netflix is something like £5.99 a month if you don’t mind a few ads, and you can stream itv, C4, and 5 on demand for nothing (if you don’t mind ads). With (again) a few ads you can also get Disney + very cheaply.

Reallynotfussed · 12/10/2025 10:27

Rosesfornoses · 11/10/2025 10:42

Nobody is responding to my post about CBeebies. My five year old grandson was watching IiPlayer on his iPad in the car. He was watching g a programme about Eid. We are not Muslims or religious so it was moving to hear him enthusiastically explain Eid celebrations to me.
I am a teacher ( retired) and I so
often embedded a a short clip from one of the BBC educational programmes in
my whiteboard presentations. He was watching Something Special series I think.
I think a lot of people take this kind of provision for granted and think it gets paid for from the magic money tree.

Christ almighty, we get it 🙄 you love the BBC. Thousands of people couldn’t give a rat’s arse. My son is 4 and can already read. He’s never even heard of alphablocks. We don’t have a tv.

We get the message that you are “in awe”, as you say, of their kids shows, but plenty of people couldn’t care less. I know you’re finding that hard to wrap your head around.

Sadworld23 · 12/10/2025 09:45

RoseAndGeranium · 11/10/2025 08:04

Yes it is. If you don’t go online and submit a declaration that you do not need a tv licence they send you threatening letters saying they are beginning an investigation into you which may involve unannounced home visits etc., and you can only stop this investigation by submitting a declaration. I think it’s outrageous, actually.

Quite.
I eventually gave in and contacted them again as DH was stressing about bailiffs visiting (DH has mental health issues and he doesn't need extra stress) I would have just said 'bring it on'.

JellyLlama · 12/10/2025 08:43

parthyphibday · 11/10/2025 23:19

They had to keep paying his salary until the allegations were proven. Employers can't just stop paying employees without legal backing. Protection for both parties is the whole point of employment contracts. There were reports in the press that they asked him for it back too.

Edited

I get that, but it makes my blood boil all the same. I don't want to contribute financially, since 'inappropriate behaviour' in all its forms is something that keeps coming up with male presenters/celebrities.

Shame the BBC isn't such a good employer to women, sidelining unproblematic female newsreaders like Martine Croxall who sued them for age and sex discrimination.

I filled out the form a couple of days ago to confirm I'm still not paying for a TV licence.

MsJinks · 12/10/2025 05:53

I didn’t mind declaring every 2 years but now they randomly decide that isn’t good enough and start being aggressive partway through those 2 years you declared.
Trouble is for many years/decades you had a tv and had to watch live, or you didn’t have one - very straightforward. Now you don’t have to watch live at all and you don’t even need a TV as you can access on multiple devices.
Imo as the BBC also does little public type broadcasting clearly distinct from other channels it’s not clear why you’d pay to view, nor is it really clear why it costs to watch live. So if you declare no licence but then watch live/BBC you probably don’t feel you’re committing a massive offence, especially younger viewers who can’t remember when it was 3 channels live or nothing.
The BBC need better PR around it all and/or a different updated model. I think less and less people will see the need for a licence - my parents would never have not had one for example, once they had a TV, and I waited until I literally had no TV before cancelling, but my kids view it as an active decision to make.
I hadn’t thought about implications of being taxed to pay but that’s obviously inappropriate now it’s been explained on here.
But the aggressive approach does no favours or encouragement to return to watching the BBC.

Odders · 12/10/2025 03:13

SALaw · 11/10/2025 13:07

I’m telling you now, if you didn’t have a tv in the 80s or 90s that was not normal. Anyone disagreeing is lying.

That's one heck of a generalisation.
I ditched TV in 1985 & know several others who abandoned it around that time.
Calling people liars for disagreeing with your opinion is offensive.

IridiumSky · 12/10/2025 01:31

I haven’t owned a TV for years, but still regularly get the threatening letters, which I find entertaining. I never respond.

They increase in severity, eventually specifying a day on which they will be visiting.

Then never come. Which is a pity, as I’d hugely enjoy acting suspicious and messing them about.

Bastards.

Camomilecrumpet · 12/10/2025 01:20

@SALaw Maybe an age thing? My partner and I (both late twenties) haven’t watched the BBC since leaving our respective family homes nearly a decade ago (apart from incidentally seeing stuff on my mum’s telly) and our TV has never had an aerial. Judging by our friends and colleagues, I would say that’s very much the norm amongst our age group. I don’t think I’ve ever been tempted to watch the BBC, even when at my mum’s house and free to watch it - there are loads of other (much cheaper or free) options and what I’ve seen of it when having a quick look while at my mum’s appears to be mostly absolute trash, truly dire comedy or just another version of the same “gritty drama” they’ve been churning out for years. If they accidentally make anything good it’ll get bought by a streaming service at some point anyway.

OonaStubbs · 12/10/2025 00:50

Why can't the BBC be like any other content provider? Why do they have to special and get a "licence fee"? If people were forced to pay for Netflix and Netflix sent letters out to people who didn't subscribe accusing them of watching illegally and telling them that they were breaking the law if they didn't subscribe, it would seem ridiculous. And yet that is what the BBC does on a daily basis, and people think it is normal just because it has been that way for so long.

JazzyJelly · 12/10/2025 00:25

Tigerbalmshark · 11/10/2025 23:28

How would I even know, if I’m not watching TV to see the trailers?

Do you think I am buying a copy of Radio Times every week and circling all the programmes I might want to watch, and then cursing the fact that I can’t because I don’t own a television? 🤣

Absolutely! I occasionally hear of something I'd like to watch on a subscription service I don't currently have. For instance, there's a series I've been watching which is complete on another service which I don't have, but part way through on Netflix, which I do. So I'm waiting for the rest of it to come onto Netflix.

It's a very odd outlook to assume criminal behaviour in people. There's stuff in the shops I'd like but can't afford, I don't steal in those circumstances either!

XenoBitch · 12/10/2025 00:23

I watch BBC stuff so pay for the license. Am I being taken for a mug? So many people watching but refusing to pay.
It is like watching people shop lift and wondering why I am not doing the same.

HiEarthlings · 12/10/2025 00:21

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 11/10/2025 08:17

Out of interest, who are these elderly women who never watch the BBC or other terrestrial channels? Most older people I know watch a lot of TV. My Mum doesn't have a smart TV so can't watch any streamed services, nor would she want to. The TV licence is money well spent for her as she finds quite a lot of interest to watch, which is fortunate now she is more or less housebound and very deaf, so can't listen to the radio.

It depends what you call "elderly". I'm 64 and only watch 'on demand' and never watch live TV or the BBC. My partner (at her own home), is 65 and likewise, only watches 'on demand', and no BBC. My neighbour, who is 73, is exactly the same, and my EX-SIL is 76, and she's also the same. In fact, I cannot think of one person older than me that watches BBC, live TV, or has A TV licence. "Elderly" people are often more savvy than people think....

RoseAndGeranium · 11/10/2025 23:51

GoBazGo · 11/10/2025 09:59

Do they listen to BBC radio?

Probably, but that’s in no way relevant to the point I was making in my post which was exclusively about the expectation that old people are all dependent on and comforted by television.

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 11/10/2025 23:44

Well, that's just weird! It's 2025, not 1985! Most people stream now anyway. I have a TV licence as DH likes watching the traitors (god knows why) on iplayer. But no one else in the house watches either live TV or iplayer. I never even use the TV unless we're all watching a movie together. I prefer my laptop.

You know the No. 1 app that's watched in this house? YouTube! Now that is worth paying for the Premium package to stop all the ads!

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 11/10/2025 23:38

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 11/10/2025 08:17

Out of interest, who are these elderly women who never watch the BBC or other terrestrial channels? Most older people I know watch a lot of TV. My Mum doesn't have a smart TV so can't watch any streamed services, nor would she want to. The TV licence is money well spent for her as she finds quite a lot of interest to watch, which is fortunate now she is more or less housebound and very deaf, so can't listen to the radio.

My mum doesn't. She watches Netflix, Disney and ITVX.

Tigerbalmshark · 11/10/2025 23:28

SALaw · 11/10/2025 12:22

Well I just think imagine the person declaring they never watch the bbc then sees that a thing they are really interested in is the subject of a programme on the bbc - are they realistically not watching it or are they tuning in despite their proclamations?

How would I even know, if I’m not watching TV to see the trailers?

Do you think I am buying a copy of Radio Times every week and circling all the programmes I might want to watch, and then cursing the fact that I can’t because I don’t own a television? 🤣

parthyphibday · 11/10/2025 23:22

LadyGillingham · 11/10/2025 07:49

Why can’t they upgrade their subscriptions/licencing model like Netflix etc ?

If you look at BBC corporation’s ownership, majority stakeholders are private Ltd companies and individuals. Why the f are they entitled to demand subscription fees from me for services I don’t use!

The language in the emails is quite strong, I’m sure a lot of senior citizens just pay to not get into trouble. That’s extortion!

From the OP:

If you look at BBC corporation’s ownership, majority stakeholders are private Ltd companies and individuals.

Isn't that fundamentally untrue? No one owns the BBC (apart from arguably the license payers). There are no stakeholders. There are no private Ltd companies.

BBC Studios is the commercial branch of the BBC (which sells content overseas) but all the profits go back into public service broadcasting.

parthyphibday · 11/10/2025 23:19

JellyLlama · 11/10/2025 19:18

I stopped my TV licence when I found out the BBC paid Huw Edwards £200k after his arrest.

They had to keep paying his salary until the allegations were proven. Employers can't just stop paying employees without legal backing. Protection for both parties is the whole point of employment contracts. There were reports in the press that they asked him for it back too.

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